Derniers messages sur Zeste de Savoirhttps://zestedesavoir.com/forums/2019-01-11T20:15:38+01:00Les derniers messages parus sur le forum de Zeste de Savoir.Spectroscopie et commutativité, message #1970162019-01-11T20:15:38+01:00blo yhg/@blo%20yhghttps://zestedesavoir.com/forums/sujet/11842/spectroscopie-et-commutativite/?page=2#p197016<blockquote>
<p>J’avoue que j’ai jamais creusé pour trouver un objet "mathématique" qui remplirait la même fonction</p>
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<p>Oui c’est ça que je cherche… Je ne comprends pas ce que ça veut dire que quand on applique <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>C</mi><mn>3</mn></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">C_3</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.07153em;">C</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.07153em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">3</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> à <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>R</mi><mi>x</mi></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">R_x</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.00773em;">R</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.151392em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.00773em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight">x</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> ça donne une combinaison linéaire de <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>R</mi><mi>x</mi></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">R_x</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.00773em;">R</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.151392em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.00773em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight">x</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> et <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>R</mi><mi>y</mi></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">R_y</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.969438em;vertical-align:-0.286108em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.00773em;">R</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15139200000000003em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.00773em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">y</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.286108em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> si on ne m’a pas dit ce que c’était que <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>R</mi><mi>x</mi></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">R_x</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.00773em;">R</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.151392em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.00773em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight">x</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> et <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>R</mi><mi>y</mi></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">R_y</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.969438em;vertical-align:-0.286108em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.00773em;">R</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15139200000000003em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.00773em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">y</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.286108em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span>… Mais j’ai fini par trouver. De manière concrète (mais ce n’est pas la meilleure manière de voir la chose) :</p>
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<li>Les <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>R</mi><mi>x</mi></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">R_x</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.00773em;">R</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.151392em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.00773em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight">x</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span>, <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>R</mi><mi>y</mi></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">R_y</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.969438em;vertical-align:-0.286108em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.00773em;">R</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15139200000000003em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.00773em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">y</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.286108em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> et <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>R</mi><mi>z</mi></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">R_z</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.00773em;">R</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.151392em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.00773em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight" style="margin-right:0.04398em;">z</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> correspondent à l’action par conjugaison du groupe sur les matrices antisymétriques. (C’est de dimension <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mn>3</mn></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">3</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.64444em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord">3</span></span></span></span></span>, donc une base de <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mn>3</mn></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">3</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.64444em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord">3</span></span></span></span></span> éléments.)</li>
<li>Les <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msup><mi>x</mi><mn>2</mn></msup></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">x^2</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.8141079999999999em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault">x</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.8141079999999999em;"><span style="top:-3.063em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">2</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span>, <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msup><mi>y</mi><mn>2</mn></msup></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">y^2</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:1.008548em;vertical-align:-0.19444em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">y</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.8141079999999999em;"><span style="top:-3.063em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">2</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span>, <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msup><mi>z</mi><mn>2</mn></msup></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">z^2</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.8141079999999999em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.04398em;">z</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.8141079999999999em;"><span style="top:-3.063em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">2</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span>, <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>x</mi><mi>y</mi></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">xy</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.625em;vertical-align:-0.19444em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault">x</span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">y</span></span></span></span></span>, <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>x</mi><mi>z</mi></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">xz</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.43056em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault">x</span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.04398em;">z</span></span></span></span></span> et <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>y</mi><mi>z</mi></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">yz</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.625em;vertical-align:-0.19444em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">y</span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.04398em;">z</span></span></span></span></span> correspondent à l’action par conjugaison du groupe sur les matrices symétriques. (C’est de dimension <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mn>6</mn></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">6</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.64444em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord">6</span></span></span></span></span>, donc une base de <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mn>6</mn></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">6</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.64444em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord">6</span></span></span></span></span> éléments.)</li>
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<p>Le résultat de l’action par conjugaison de <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>M</mi></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">M</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.68333em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.10903em;">M</span></span></span></span></span> sur <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>N</mi></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">N</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.68333em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.10903em;">N</span></span></span></span></span>, c’est <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>M</mi><mi>N</mi><msup><mi>M</mi><mrow><mo>−</mo><mn>1</mn></mrow></msup></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">M N M^{-1}</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.8141079999999999em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.10903em;">M</span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.10903em;">N</span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.10903em;">M</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.8141079999999999em;"><span style="top:-3.063em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight"><span class="mord mtight">−</span><span class="mord mtight">1</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span>.</p>
<p>Par exemple, pour le groupe ponctuel de symétries <a href="http://wiki.scienceamusante.net/index.php?title=Groupes_ponctuels_de_sym%C3%A9trie#Groupe_D3"><span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>D</mi><mn>3</mn></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">D_3</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.02778em;">D</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.02778em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">3</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></a>, l’élément <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>C</mi><mn>3</mn></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">C_3</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.07153em;">C</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.07153em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">3</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> est représenté par la matrice <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mo fence="true">(</mo><mtable><mtr><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mrow><mi>cos</mi><mo></mo><mo>(</mo><mn>2</mn><mi>π</mi><mi mathvariant="normal">/</mi><mn>3</mn><mo>)</mo></mrow></mstyle></mtd><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mrow><mo>−</mo><mi>sin</mi><mo></mo><mo>(</mo><mn>2</mn><mi>π</mi><mi mathvariant="normal">/</mi><mn>3</mn><mo>)</mo></mrow></mstyle></mtd><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mn>0</mn></mstyle></mtd></mtr><mtr><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mrow><mi>sin</mi><mo></mo><mo>(</mo><mn>2</mn><mi>π</mi><mi mathvariant="normal">/</mi><mn>3</mn><mo>)</mo></mrow></mstyle></mtd><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mrow><mi>cos</mi><mo></mo><mo>(</mo><mn>2</mn><mi>π</mi><mi mathvariant="normal">/</mi><mn>3</mn><mo>)</mo></mrow></mstyle></mtd><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mn>0</mn></mstyle></mtd></mtr><mtr><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mn>0</mn></mstyle></mtd><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mn>0</mn></mstyle></mtd><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mn>1</mn></mstyle></mtd></mtr></mtable><mo fence="true">)</mo></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">\begin{pmatrix}\cos(2\pi/3)&-\sin(2\pi/3)&0\\\sin(2\pi/3)&\cos(2\pi/3)&0\\0&0&1\end{pmatrix}</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:3.60004em;vertical-align:-1.55002em;"></span><span class="minner"><span class="mopen"><span class="delimsizing mult"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:2.05002em;"><span style="top:-2.2500000000000004em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3.1550000000000002em;"></span><span class="delimsizinginner delim-size4"><span>⎝</span></span></span><span style="top:-4.05002em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3.1550000000000002em;"></span><span class="delimsizinginner delim-size4"><span>⎛</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:1.55002em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mord"><span class="mtable"><span class="col-align-c"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:2.05em;"><span style="top:-4.21em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mop">cos</span><span class="mopen">(</span><span class="mord">2</span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">π</span><span class="mord">/</span><span class="mord">3</span><span class="mclose">)</span></span></span><span style="top:-3.0099999999999993em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mop">sin</span><span class="mopen">(</span><span class="mord">2</span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">π</span><span class="mord">/</span><span class="mord">3</span><span class="mclose">)</span></span></span><span style="top:-1.8099999999999994em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord">0</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:1.5500000000000007em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="arraycolsep" style="width:0.5em;"></span><span class="arraycolsep" style="width:0.5em;"></span><span class="col-align-c"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:2.05em;"><span style="top:-4.21em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord">−</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.16666666666666666em;"></span><span class="mop">sin</span><span class="mopen">(</span><span class="mord">2</span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">π</span><span class="mord">/</span><span class="mord">3</span><span class="mclose">)</span></span></span><span style="top:-3.0099999999999993em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mop">cos</span><span class="mopen">(</span><span class="mord">2</span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">π</span><span class="mord">/</span><span class="mord">3</span><span class="mclose">)</span></span></span><span style="top:-1.8099999999999994em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord">0</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:1.5500000000000007em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="arraycolsep" style="width:0.5em;"></span><span class="arraycolsep" style="width:0.5em;"></span><span class="col-align-c"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:2.05em;"><span style="top:-4.21em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord">0</span></span></span><span style="top:-3.0099999999999993em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord">0</span></span></span><span style="top:-1.8099999999999994em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord">1</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:1.5500000000000007em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mclose"><span class="delimsizing mult"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:2.05002em;"><span style="top:-2.2500000000000004em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3.1550000000000002em;"></span><span class="delimsizinginner delim-size4"><span>⎠</span></span></span><span style="top:-4.05002em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3.1550000000000002em;"></span><span class="delimsizinginner delim-size4"><span>⎞</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:1.55002em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> et <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>C</mi><mn>2</mn></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">C_2</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.07153em;">C</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.07153em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">2</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> par la matrice <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mo fence="true">(</mo><mtable><mtr><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mn>1</mn></mstyle></mtd><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mn>0</mn></mstyle></mtd><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mn>0</mn></mstyle></mtd></mtr><mtr><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mn>0</mn></mstyle></mtd><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mrow><mo>−</mo><mn>1</mn></mrow></mstyle></mtd><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mn>0</mn></mstyle></mtd></mtr><mtr><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mn>0</mn></mstyle></mtd><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mn>0</mn></mstyle></mtd><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mrow><mo>−</mo><mn>1</mn></mrow></mstyle></mtd></mtr></mtable><mo fence="true">)</mo></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">\begin{pmatrix}1&0&0\\0&-1&0\\0&0&-1\end{pmatrix}</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:3.60004em;vertical-align:-1.55002em;"></span><span class="minner"><span class="mopen"><span class="delimsizing mult"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:2.05002em;"><span style="top:-2.2500000000000004em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3.1550000000000002em;"></span><span class="delimsizinginner delim-size4"><span>⎝</span></span></span><span style="top:-4.05002em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3.1550000000000002em;"></span><span class="delimsizinginner delim-size4"><span>⎛</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:1.55002em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mord"><span class="mtable"><span class="col-align-c"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:2.05em;"><span style="top:-4.21em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord">1</span></span></span><span style="top:-3.0099999999999993em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord">0</span></span></span><span style="top:-1.8099999999999994em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord">0</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:1.5500000000000007em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="arraycolsep" style="width:0.5em;"></span><span class="arraycolsep" style="width:0.5em;"></span><span class="col-align-c"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:2.05em;"><span style="top:-4.21em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord">0</span></span></span><span style="top:-3.0099999999999993em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord">−</span><span class="mord">1</span></span></span><span style="top:-1.8099999999999994em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord">0</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:1.5500000000000007em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="arraycolsep" style="width:0.5em;"></span><span class="arraycolsep" style="width:0.5em;"></span><span class="col-align-c"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:2.05em;"><span style="top:-4.21em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord">0</span></span></span><span style="top:-3.0099999999999993em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord">0</span></span></span><span style="top:-1.8099999999999994em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord">−</span><span class="mord">1</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:1.5500000000000007em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mclose"><span class="delimsizing mult"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:2.05002em;"><span style="top:-2.2500000000000004em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3.1550000000000002em;"></span><span class="delimsizinginner delim-size4"><span>⎠</span></span></span><span style="top:-4.05002em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3.1550000000000002em;"></span><span class="delimsizinginner delim-size4"><span>⎞</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:1.55002em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span>.
On représente <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>R</mi><mi>x</mi></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">R_x</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.00773em;">R</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.151392em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.00773em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight">x</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> et <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>R</mi><mi>y</mi></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">R_y</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.969438em;vertical-align:-0.286108em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.00773em;">R</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15139200000000003em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.00773em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">y</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.286108em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> par les matrices respectives <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mo fence="true">(</mo><mtable><mtr><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mn>0</mn></mstyle></mtd><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mn>0</mn></mstyle></mtd><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mn>0</mn></mstyle></mtd></mtr><mtr><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mn>0</mn></mstyle></mtd><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mn>0</mn></mstyle></mtd><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mrow><mo>−</mo><mn>1</mn></mrow></mstyle></mtd></mtr><mtr><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mn>0</mn></mstyle></mtd><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mn>1</mn></mstyle></mtd><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mn>0</mn></mstyle></mtd></mtr></mtable><mo fence="true">)</mo></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">\begin{pmatrix}0&0&0\\0&0&-1\\0&1&0\end{pmatrix}</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:3.60004em;vertical-align:-1.55002em;"></span><span class="minner"><span class="mopen"><span class="delimsizing mult"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:2.05002em;"><span style="top:-2.2500000000000004em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3.1550000000000002em;"></span><span class="delimsizinginner delim-size4"><span>⎝</span></span></span><span style="top:-4.05002em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3.1550000000000002em;"></span><span class="delimsizinginner delim-size4"><span>⎛</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:1.55002em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mord"><span class="mtable"><span class="col-align-c"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:2.05em;"><span style="top:-4.21em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord">0</span></span></span><span style="top:-3.0099999999999993em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord">0</span></span></span><span style="top:-1.8099999999999994em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord">0</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:1.5500000000000007em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="arraycolsep" style="width:0.5em;"></span><span class="arraycolsep" style="width:0.5em;"></span><span class="col-align-c"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:2.05em;"><span style="top:-4.21em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord">0</span></span></span><span style="top:-3.0099999999999993em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord">0</span></span></span><span style="top:-1.8099999999999994em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord">1</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:1.5500000000000007em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="arraycolsep" style="width:0.5em;"></span><span class="arraycolsep" style="width:0.5em;"></span><span class="col-align-c"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:2.05em;"><span style="top:-4.21em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord">0</span></span></span><span style="top:-3.0099999999999993em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord">−</span><span class="mord">1</span></span></span><span style="top:-1.8099999999999994em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord">0</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:1.5500000000000007em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mclose"><span class="delimsizing mult"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:2.05002em;"><span style="top:-2.2500000000000004em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3.1550000000000002em;"></span><span class="delimsizinginner delim-size4"><span>⎠</span></span></span><span style="top:-4.05002em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3.1550000000000002em;"></span><span class="delimsizinginner delim-size4"><span>⎞</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:1.55002em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> et <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mo fence="true">(</mo><mtable><mtr><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mn>0</mn></mstyle></mtd><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mn>0</mn></mstyle></mtd><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mn>1</mn></mstyle></mtd></mtr><mtr><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mn>0</mn></mstyle></mtd><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mn>0</mn></mstyle></mtd><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mn>0</mn></mstyle></mtd></mtr><mtr><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mrow><mo>−</mo><mn>1</mn></mrow></mstyle></mtd><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mn>0</mn></mstyle></mtd><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mn>0</mn></mstyle></mtd></mtr></mtable><mo fence="true">)</mo></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">\begin{pmatrix}0&0&1\\0&0&0\\-1&0&0\end{pmatrix}</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:3.60004em;vertical-align:-1.55002em;"></span><span class="minner"><span class="mopen"><span class="delimsizing mult"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:2.05002em;"><span style="top:-2.2500000000000004em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3.1550000000000002em;"></span><span class="delimsizinginner delim-size4"><span>⎝</span></span></span><span style="top:-4.05002em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3.1550000000000002em;"></span><span class="delimsizinginner delim-size4"><span>⎛</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:1.55002em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mord"><span class="mtable"><span class="col-align-c"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:2.05em;"><span style="top:-4.21em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord">0</span></span></span><span style="top:-3.0099999999999993em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord">0</span></span></span><span style="top:-1.8099999999999994em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord">−</span><span class="mord">1</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:1.5500000000000007em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="arraycolsep" style="width:0.5em;"></span><span class="arraycolsep" style="width:0.5em;"></span><span class="col-align-c"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:2.05em;"><span style="top:-4.21em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord">0</span></span></span><span style="top:-3.0099999999999993em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord">0</span></span></span><span style="top:-1.8099999999999994em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord">0</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:1.5500000000000007em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="arraycolsep" style="width:0.5em;"></span><span class="arraycolsep" style="width:0.5em;"></span><span class="col-align-c"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:2.05em;"><span style="top:-4.21em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord">1</span></span></span><span style="top:-3.0099999999999993em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord">0</span></span></span><span style="top:-1.8099999999999994em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord">0</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:1.5500000000000007em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mclose"><span class="delimsizing mult"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:2.05002em;"><span style="top:-2.2500000000000004em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3.1550000000000002em;"></span><span class="delimsizinginner delim-size4"><span>⎠</span></span></span><span style="top:-4.05002em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3.1550000000000002em;"></span><span class="delimsizinginner delim-size4"><span>⎞</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:1.55002em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span>.</p>
<p>Si on calcule <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>C</mi><mn>3</mn></msub><msub><mi>R</mi><mi>x</mi></msub><msubsup><mi>C</mi><mn>3</mn><mrow><mo>−</mo><mn>1</mn></mrow></msubsup></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">C_3 R_x C_3^{-1}</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:1.120547em;vertical-align:-0.266308em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.07153em;">C</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.07153em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">3</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.00773em;">R</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.151392em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.00773em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight">x</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.07153em;">C</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.854239em;"><span style="top:-2.433692em;margin-left:-0.07153em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">3</span></span></span><span style="top:-3.1031310000000003em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight"><span class="mord mtight">−</span><span class="mord mtight">1</span></span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.266308em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span>, on trouve la même chose que <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>cos</mi><mo></mo><mo>(</mo><mn>2</mn><mi>π</mi><mi mathvariant="normal">/</mi><mn>3</mn><mo>)</mo><msub><mi>R</mi><mi>x</mi></msub><mo>−</mo><mi>sin</mi><mo></mo><mo>(</mo><mn>2</mn><mi>π</mi><mi mathvariant="normal">/</mi><mn>3</mn><mo>)</mo><msub><mi>R</mi><mi>y</mi></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">\cos(2\pi/3) R_x - \sin(2\pi/3) R_y</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:1em;vertical-align:-0.25em;"></span><span class="mop">cos</span><span class="mopen">(</span><span class="mord">2</span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">π</span><span class="mord">/</span><span class="mord">3</span><span class="mclose">)</span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.00773em;">R</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.151392em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.00773em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight">x</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2222222222222222em;"></span><span class="mbin">−</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2222222222222222em;"></span></span><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:1.036108em;vertical-align:-0.286108em;"></span><span class="mop">sin</span><span class="mopen">(</span><span class="mord">2</span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">π</span><span class="mord">/</span><span class="mord">3</span><span class="mclose">)</span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.00773em;">R</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15139200000000003em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.00773em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">y</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.286108em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span>. Plus généralement, si <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>g</mi><mo>∈</mo><msub><mi>D</mi><mn>3</mn></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">g ∈ D_3</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.7335400000000001em;vertical-align:-0.19444em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">g</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span><span class="mrel">∈</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span></span><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.02778em;">D</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.02778em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">3</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span>, alors la matrice de <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>a</mi><msub><mi>R</mi><mi>x</mi></msub><mo>+</mo><mi>b</mi><msub><mi>R</mi><mi>y</mi></msub><mo>↦</mo><mi>g</mi><mo>(</mo><mi>a</mi><msub><mi>R</mi><mi>x</mi></msub><mo>+</mo><mi>b</mi><msub><mi>R</mi><mi>y</mi></msub><mo>)</mo><msup><mi>g</mi><mrow><mo>−</mo><mn>1</mn></mrow></msup></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">aR_x + bR_y ↦ g (aR_x + bR_y) g^{-1}</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault">a</span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.00773em;">R</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.151392em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.00773em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight">x</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2222222222222222em;"></span><span class="mbin">+</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2222222222222222em;"></span></span><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.980548em;vertical-align:-0.286108em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault">b</span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.00773em;">R</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15139200000000003em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.00773em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">y</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.286108em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span><span class="mrel">↦</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span></span><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:1em;vertical-align:-0.25em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">g</span><span class="mopen">(</span><span class="mord mathdefault">a</span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.00773em;">R</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.151392em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.00773em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight">x</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2222222222222222em;"></span><span class="mbin">+</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2222222222222222em;"></span></span><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:1.1002159999999999em;vertical-align:-0.286108em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault">b</span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.00773em;">R</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15139200000000003em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.00773em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">y</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.286108em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mclose">)</span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">g</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.8141079999999999em;"><span style="top:-3.063em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight"><span class="mord mtight">−</span><span class="mord mtight">1</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> en base <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mo>(</mo><mo>−</mo><msub><mi>R</mi><mi>x</mi></msub><mo separator="true">,</mo><msub><mi>R</mi><mi>y</mi></msub><mo>)</mo></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">(-R_x, R_y)</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:1.036108em;vertical-align:-0.286108em;"></span><span class="mopen">(</span><span class="mord">−</span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.00773em;">R</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.151392em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.00773em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight">x</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mpunct">,</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.16666666666666666em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.00773em;">R</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15139200000000003em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.00773em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">y</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.286108em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mclose">)</span></span></span></span></span> est la même que la matrice correspondant à <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>g</mi></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">g</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.625em;vertical-align:-0.19444em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">g</span></span></span></span></span> pour la représentation de dimension <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mn>2</mn></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">2</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.64444em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord">2</span></span></span></span></span> de <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>D</mi><mn>3</mn></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">D_3</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.02778em;">D</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.02778em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">3</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span>. C’est ça que veut dire le <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mo>(</mo><msub><mi>R</mi><mi>x</mi></msub><mo separator="true">,</mo><msub><mi>R</mi><mi>y</mi></msub><mo>)</mo></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">(R_x, R_y)</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:1.036108em;vertical-align:-0.286108em;"></span><span class="mopen">(</span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.00773em;">R</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.151392em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.00773em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight">x</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mpunct">,</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.16666666666666666em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.00773em;">R</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15139200000000003em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.00773em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">y</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.286108em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mclose">)</span></span></span></span></span> dans la ligne de la représentation de dimension <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mn>2</mn></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">2</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.64444em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord">2</span></span></span></span></span>.</p>
<p>Je trouve que cette information est difficile à récupérer sur internet… (j’ai pas réussi)</p>Spectroscopie et commutativité, message #1960852018-12-31T14:33:30+01:00pierre_24/@pierre_24https://zestedesavoir.com/forums/sujet/11842/spectroscopie-et-commutativite/?page=2#p196085<blockquote>
<p>Merci de vos réponses, c’est vrai que c’est pas du tout évident pour moi les orbitales atomiques. <img src="/static/smileys/langue.png" alt=":p" class="smiley"></p>
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<p>Mais de rien. Je fais les exos du cours de chimie quantique à des mathématiciens, je sais ce que c’est <img src="/static/smileys/clin.png" alt=";)" class="smiley"></p>
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<p>Je pense que tu voulais dire produit tensoriel et pas scalaire. Voilà ce que je comprends pour la colonne "quadratic" : on fait agir le groupe sur les formes quadratiques, et on regarde comment ça se découpe en représentations irréductibles. Du coup ça me va pour les formes quadratiques et linéaires</p>
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<p>En effet, tensoriel. C’est parce que je prend le produit de deux représentations comme un produit scalaire <img src="/static/smileys/siffle.png" alt=":-°" class="smiley"></p>
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<p>Pour savoir où va <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>R</mi><mi>z</mi></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">R_z</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.00773em;">R</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.151392em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.00773em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight" style="margin-right:0.04398em;">z</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span>, on fait agir par conjugaison le groupe sur <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>R</mi><mi>z</mi></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">R_z</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.00773em;">R</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.151392em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.00773em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight" style="margin-right:0.04398em;">z</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span>, en espérant qu’on trouve à chaque fois <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mo>±</mo><msub><mi>R</mi><mi>z</mi></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">±R_z</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord">±</span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.00773em;">R</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.151392em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.00773em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight" style="margin-right:0.04398em;">z</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span>… ? Mais par exemple dans <a href="http://wiki.scienceamusante.net/index.php?title=Groupes_ponctuels_de_sym%C3%A9trie#Groupe_D3"><span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>D</mi><mn>3</mn></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">D_3</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.02778em;">D</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.02778em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">3</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></a>, que veut dire ce <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mo>(</mo><msub><mi>R</mi><mi>x</mi></msub><mo separator="true">,</mo><msub><mi>R</mi><mi>y</mi></msub><mo>)</mo></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">(R_x, R_y)</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:1.036108em;vertical-align:-0.286108em;"></span><span class="mopen">(</span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.00773em;">R</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.151392em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.00773em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight">x</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mpunct">,</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.16666666666666666em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.00773em;">R</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15139200000000003em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.00773em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">y</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.286108em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mclose">)</span></span></span></span></span> ?</p>
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<p>Qu’encore une fois, si tu ne traite pas les deux rotations ensemble, ça ne fonctionnera pas. Le "problème", c’est que c’est un peu abstrait dis comme ça. Il faut que tu imagine que pour en arriver à cette conclusion, je représente une rotation autour d’un axe comme "<img src="/media/galleries/407/a58b3e7b-106a-425b-b74e-4a37cb57ac0d.png" alt="flèche">" (un espèce de <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>C</mi><mn>2</mn></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">C_2</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.07153em;">C</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.07153em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">2</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span>, en fait), et que du coup, je regarde si le sens des deux flèches du bout change (ça vaut ce que ça vaut) (ça marcherai aussi si je m’amusait à dessiner un cercle avec une flèche dedans, mais je suis nul en dessin et j’ai pas envie de me taper la honte devant mes étudiants).</p>
<p>Par exemple, pour <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>D</mi><mn>3</mn></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">D_3</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.02778em;">D</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.02778em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">3</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span>, on se rend compte que pour <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>R</mi><mi>z</mi></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">R_z</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.00773em;">R</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.151392em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.00773em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight" style="margin-right:0.04398em;">z</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> c’est facile, <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>C</mi><mn>3</mn></msub><mo>(</mo><mi>z</mi><mo>)</mo></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">C_3(z)</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:1em;vertical-align:-0.25em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.07153em;">C</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.07153em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">3</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mopen">(</span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.04398em;">z</span><span class="mclose">)</span></span></span></span></span> laisse le sens tel quel et <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>C</mi><mn>2</mn></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">C_2</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.07153em;">C</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.07153em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">2</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> (qui est ici un <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>C</mi><mn>2</mn></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">C_2</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.07153em;">C</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.07153em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">2</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> perpendiculaire au <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>C</mi><mn>3</mn></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">C_3</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.07153em;">C</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.07153em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">3</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span>) l’inverse, donc que c’est <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>A</mi><mn>2</mn></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">A_2</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault">A</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:0em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">2</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span>. Par contre, <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>R</mi><mi>x</mi></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">R_x</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.00773em;">R</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.151392em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.00773em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight">x</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> et <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>R</mi><mi>y</mi></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">R_y</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.969438em;vertical-align:-0.286108em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.00773em;">R</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15139200000000003em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.00773em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">y</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.286108em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span>, dès que tu leur applique un <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>C</mi><mn>3</mn></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">C_3</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.07153em;">C</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.07153em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">3</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span>, c’est plus vraiment une rotation autour de <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>x</mi></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">x</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.43056em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault">x</span></span></span></span></span> ou <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>y</mi></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">y</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.625em;vertical-align:-0.19444em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">y</span></span></span></span></span>. Encore une fois, ça donne une combinaison linéaire des deux, comme pour les axes cartésien, et il se trouve que ça fini dans la même représentation. J’avoue que j’ai jamais creusé pour trouver un objet "mathématique" qui remplirait la même fonction, <del>mais on pourrait imaginer le faire sur la matrice qui représente <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>C</mi><mn>2</mn></msub><mo>(</mo><mi>z</mi><mo>)</mo></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">C_2(z)</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:1em;vertical-align:-0.25em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.07153em;">C</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.07153em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">2</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mopen">(</span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.04398em;">z</span><span class="mclose">)</span></span></span></span></span>, par exemple</del> <strong>EDIT:</strong> ou pas, ça serait chaud de voir que le sens trigo à changé.</p>
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<p>J’ai regardé dans le livre de Serre <em>Représentations linéaires des groupes</em> mais malheureusement il n’y a pas cette partie. D’ailleurs on trouve une définition de <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>D</mi><mrow><mi>n</mi><mi>h</mi></mrow></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">D_{nh}</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.02778em;">D</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.33610799999999996em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.02778em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight">n</span><span class="mord mathdefault mtight">h</span></span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> : il ne s’agit pas du groupe diédral d’ordre <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mn>2</mn><mi>n</mi><mi>h</mi></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">2nh</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.69444em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord">2</span><span class="mord mathdefault">n</span><span class="mord mathdefault">h</span></span></span></span></span> mais du groupe <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>D</mi><mi>n</mi></msub><mo>×</mo><mi mathvariant="double-struck">Z</mi><mi mathvariant="normal">/</mi><mn>2</mn><mi mathvariant="double-struck">Z</mi></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">D_n × ℤ/2ℤ</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.02778em;">D</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.151392em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.02778em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight">n</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2222222222222222em;"></span><span class="mbin">×</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2222222222222222em;"></span></span><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:1em;vertical-align:-0.25em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathbb">Z</span></span><span class="mord">/</span><span class="mord">2</span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathbb">Z</span></span></span></span></span></span>.</p>
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<p>Et chez nous, <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>D</mi><mrow><mi>n</mi><mi>h</mi></mrow></msub><mo>=</mo><msub><mi>D</mi><mi>n</mi></msub><mo>×</mo><mo>{</mo><mi>E</mi><mo separator="true">,</mo><msub><mi>σ</mi><mi>h</mi></msub><mo>}</mo></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">D_{nh} = D_n \times \{E, \sigma_h\}</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.02778em;">D</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.33610799999999996em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.02778em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight">n</span><span class="mord mathdefault mtight">h</span></span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span><span class="mrel">=</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span></span><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.02778em;">D</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.151392em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.02778em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight">n</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2222222222222222em;"></span><span class="mbin">×</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2222222222222222em;"></span></span><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:1em;vertical-align:-0.25em;"></span><span class="mopen">{</span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.05764em;">E</span><span class="mpunct">,</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.16666666666666666em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">σ</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.33610799999999996em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.03588em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight">h</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mclose">}</span></span></span></span></span> (ou <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>σ</mi><mi>h</mi></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">\sigma_h</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.58056em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">σ</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.33610799999999996em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.03588em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight">h</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> est un plan de symmétrie perpendiculaire à l’axe principal <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>C</mi><mi>n</mi></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">C_n</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.07153em;">C</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.151392em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.07153em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight">n</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span>) <img src="/static/smileys/clin.png" alt=";)" class="smiley"></p>Spectroscopie et commutativité, message #1959842018-12-29T20:24:25+01:00blo yhg/@blo%20yhghttps://zestedesavoir.com/forums/sujet/11842/spectroscopie-et-commutativite/?page=2#p195984<p>Merci de vos réponses, c’est vrai que c’est pas du tout évident pour moi les orbitales atomiques. <img src="/static/smileys/langue.png" alt=":p" class="smiley"></p>
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<p>Techniquement, c’est simple à calculer: pour <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>x</mi><mi>z</mi></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">xz</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.43056em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault">x</span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.04398em;">z</span></span></span></span></span>, on devrait prendre le produit scalaire de la représentation pour <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>x</mi></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">x</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.43056em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault">x</span></span></span></span></span> et celle pour <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>z</mi></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">z</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.43056em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.04398em;">z</span></span></span></span></span>, obtenir une nouvelle représentation, et espérer qu’elle soit irréductible.</p>
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<p>Je pense que tu voulais dire produit tensoriel et pas scalaire. Voilà ce que je comprends pour la colonne "quadratic" : on fait agir le groupe sur les formes quadratiques, et on regarde comment ça se découpe en représentations irréductibles. Du coup ça me va pour les formes quadratiques et linéaires, mais il reste cette colonne "rotations" que je ne comprends pas.</p>
<p>Pour savoir où va <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>R</mi><mi>z</mi></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">R_z</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.00773em;">R</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.151392em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.00773em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight" style="margin-right:0.04398em;">z</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span>, on fait agir par conjugaison le groupe sur <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>R</mi><mi>z</mi></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">R_z</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.00773em;">R</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.151392em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.00773em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight" style="margin-right:0.04398em;">z</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span>, en espérant qu’on trouve à chaque fois <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mo>±</mo><msub><mi>R</mi><mi>z</mi></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">±R_z</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord">±</span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.00773em;">R</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.151392em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.00773em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight" style="margin-right:0.04398em;">z</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span>… ? Mais par exemple dans <a href="http://wiki.scienceamusante.net/index.php?title=Groupes_ponctuels_de_sym%C3%A9trie#Groupe_D3"><span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>D</mi><mn>3</mn></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">D_3</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.02778em;">D</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.02778em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">3</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></a>, que veut dire ce <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mo>(</mo><msub><mi>R</mi><mi>x</mi></msub><mo separator="true">,</mo><msub><mi>R</mi><mi>y</mi></msub><mo>)</mo></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">(R_x, R_y)</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:1.036108em;vertical-align:-0.286108em;"></span><span class="mopen">(</span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.00773em;">R</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.151392em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.00773em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight">x</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mpunct">,</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.16666666666666666em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.00773em;">R</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15139200000000003em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.00773em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">y</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.286108em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mclose">)</span></span></span></span></span> ?</p>
<p>J’ai regardé dans le livre de Serre <em>Représentations linéaires des groupes</em> mais malheureusement il n’y a pas cette partie. D’ailleurs on trouve une définition de <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>D</mi><mrow><mi>n</mi><mi>h</mi></mrow></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">D_{nh}</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.02778em;">D</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.33610799999999996em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.02778em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight">n</span><span class="mord mathdefault mtight">h</span></span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> : il ne s’agit pas du groupe diédral d’ordre <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mn>2</mn><mi>n</mi><mi>h</mi></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">2nh</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.69444em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord">2</span><span class="mord mathdefault">n</span><span class="mord mathdefault">h</span></span></span></span></span> mais du groupe <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>D</mi><mi>n</mi></msub><mo>×</mo><mi mathvariant="double-struck">Z</mi><mi mathvariant="normal">/</mi><mn>2</mn><mi mathvariant="double-struck">Z</mi></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">D_n × ℤ/2ℤ</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.02778em;">D</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.151392em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.02778em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight">n</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2222222222222222em;"></span><span class="mbin">×</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2222222222222222em;"></span></span><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:1em;vertical-align:-0.25em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathbb">Z</span></span><span class="mord">/</span><span class="mord">2</span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathbb">Z</span></span></span></span></span></span>.</p>
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<p><a href="/membres/voir/Kanaal/" rel="nofollow" class="ping ping-link">@<span class="ping-username">Kanaal</span></a> En fait j’ai compris ce que tu disais pour la preuve du sens réciproque. Si toutes les représentations irréductibles sont de dimension <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mn>1</mn></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">1</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.64444em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord">1</span></span></span></span></span>, c’est qu’il y a autant de classes de conjugaison que d’éléments du groupe et donc le groupe est abélien. Mais je ne vois toujours pas pour l’utilisation du lemme de Schur.</p>
<p><strong>Edit.</strong> C’est bon aussi pour le lemme de Schur en fait.</p>Spectroscopie et commutativité, message #1959722018-12-29T16:10:37+01:00pierre_24/@pierre_24https://zestedesavoir.com/forums/sujet/11842/spectroscopie-et-commutativite/?page=1#p195972<p>Absolument, mais je suis gentil avec les gens pour qui le concept d’orbitale atomique (c’est des harmoniques sphériques pour la partie angulaire, btw) n’est pas évident <img src="/static/smileys/magicien.png" alt=":magicien:" class="smiley"></p>Spectroscopie et commutativité, message #1959712018-12-29T16:05:38+01:00Blackline/@Blacklinehttps://zestedesavoir.com/forums/sujet/11842/spectroscopie-et-commutativite/?page=1#p195971<p>Ouais c’est ce que je disais au final tu peux savoir quelles orbitales (dans le cas d’une transition électronique) sont affecté nan ? </p>Spectroscopie et commutativité, message #1959702018-12-29T16:00:04+01:00pierre_24/@pierre_24https://zestedesavoir.com/forums/sujet/11842/spectroscopie-et-commutativite/?page=1#p195970<p><span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>R</mi><mi>z</mi></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">R_z</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.00773em;">R</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.151392em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.00773em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight" style="margin-right:0.04398em;">z</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> désigne la rotation autour de l’axe <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>z</mi></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">z</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.43056em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.04398em;">z</span></span></span></span></span>. Autrement dit, comment se comporte une rotation quelconque autour de l’axe <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>z</mi></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">z</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.43056em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.04398em;">z</span></span></span></span></span> quand tu lui appliques les éléments de symétrie (la question étant en fait "est ce que le sens de rotation s’inverse ou pas"). Par exemple, <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>σ</mi><mi>v</mi></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">\sigma_v</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.58056em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">σ</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.151392em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.03588em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">v</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> (plan de symétrie situé par exemple dans le plan <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>x</mi><mi>z</mi></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">xz</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.43056em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault">x</span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.04398em;">z</span></span></span></span></span>) va inverser le sens de rotation d’une rotation autour de l’axe <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>z</mi></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">z</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.43056em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.04398em;">z</span></span></span></span></span>, d’où un caractère de -1 et son appartenance à <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>A</mi><mn>2</mn></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">A_2</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault">A</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:0em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">2</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span>. J’imagine qu’on peut regarder ce qui se passe de manière matricielle, mais en pratique je triche un peu.
Par contre, ça me sert uniquement à remplir des lignes dans la table de caractères pour pouvoir utiliser le théorème d’orthogonalité après, soit pas à grand chose en spectroscopie de base (je crois que les spectro chirales peuvent se baser dessus). </p>
<p>Les trucs plus complexes représentent ce qui arrive quand tu t’amuse à mettre différents axes cartésien ensembles, par exemple dans le cadre de tenseurs. Prenons par exemple un développement en série de Taylor (ici de du moment dipolaire, soit un vecteur en fonction du champ électrique, un autre vecteur, dans un espace à 3 dimensions): <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mover accent="true"><mi>μ</mi><mo>⃗</mo></mover><mo>(</mo><mover accent="true"><mi>E</mi><mo>⃗</mo></mover><mo>)</mo><mo>=</mo><msub><mover accent="true"><mi>μ</mi><mo>⃗</mo></mover><mn>0</mn></msub><mo>+</mo><mi>α</mi><mo>⋅</mo><mover accent="true"><mi>E</mi><mo>⃗</mo></mover><mo>+</mo><mo>…</mo></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">\vec{\mu}(\vec{E}) = \vec\mu_0 + \alpha\cdot \vec{E} + \ldots</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:1.21633em;vertical-align:-0.25em;"></span><span class="mord accent"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.714em;"><span style="top:-3em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault">μ</span></span></span><span style="top:-3em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="accent-body" style="left:-0.20772em;"><span class="overlay" style="height:0.714em;width:0.471em;"><svg width="0.471em" height="0.714em" style="width:0.471em" viewBox="0 0 471 714" preserveAspectRatio="xMinYMin"><path d="M377 20c0-5.333 1.833-10 5.5-14S391 0 397 0c4.667 0 8.667 1.667 12 5
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Et qui possède, pour le coup, des composantes du type <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>α</mi><mrow><mi>x</mi><mi>x</mi></mrow></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">\alpha_{xx}</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.58056em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.0037em;">α</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.151392em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.0037em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight">x</span><span class="mord mathdefault mtight">x</span></span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> ou <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>α</mi><mrow><mi>y</mi><mi>z</mi></mrow></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">\alpha_{yz}</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.716668em;vertical-align:-0.286108em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.0037em;">α</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15139200000000003em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.0037em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">y</span><span class="mord mathdefault mtight" style="margin-right:0.04398em;">z</span></span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.286108em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span>. Ces trucs bizarres décrivent alors à quel représentation appartiennent chacune des différentes composantes du tenseur, tout comme <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mo>(</mo><mi>x</mi><mo separator="true">,</mo><mi>y</mi><mo>)</mo></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">(x,y)</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:1em;vertical-align:-0.25em;"></span><span class="mopen">(</span><span class="mord mathdefault">x</span><span class="mpunct">,</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.16666666666666666em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">y</span><span class="mclose">)</span></span></span></span></span> décrit également à quel représentation appartiennent les composantes <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>x</mi></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">x</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.43056em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault">x</span></span></span></span></span> et <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>y</mi></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">y</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.625em;vertical-align:-0.19444em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">y</span></span></span></span></span> du moment dipolaire (<em>aka</em> comment elles se transforment sous application d’une opération de symétrie). Ça permet effectivement de faire des choses drôles en spectroscopie (ou, en gros, si ta fonction d’onde appartient pas à la bonne représentation, c’est mort).</p>
<p>Techniquement, c’est simple à calculer: pour <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>x</mi><mi>z</mi></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">xz</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.43056em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault">x</span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.04398em;">z</span></span></span></span></span>, on devrait prendre le produit scalaire de la représentation pour <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>x</mi></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">x</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.43056em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault">x</span></span></span></span></span> et celle pour <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>z</mi></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">z</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.43056em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.04398em;">z</span></span></span></span></span>, obtenir une nouvelle représentation, et espérer qu’elle soit irréductible. Pour les groupes "gentil", genre <a href="https://www.webqc.org/symmetrypointgroup-c2v.html">C2v</a>, c’est le cas et dans ce cas on voit bien que si je veux <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>x</mi><mi>z</mi></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">xz</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.43056em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault">x</span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.04398em;">z</span></span></span></span></span>, je prend <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>A</mi><mn>1</mn></msub><mo>⋅</mo><msub><mi>B</mi><mn>1</mn></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">A_1\cdot B_1</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault">A</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:0em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">1</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2222222222222222em;"></span><span class="mbin">⋅</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2222222222222222em;"></span></span><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.05017em;">B</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.05017em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">1</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> (en plus c’est Abélien) et ça me donne bien sagement <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>B</mi><mn>2</mn></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">B_2</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.05017em;">B</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.05017em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">2</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> (bon, ici c’est facile parce qu’il y a <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>A</mi><mn>1</mn></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">A_1</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault">A</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:0em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">1</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span>). Pour <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>C</mi><mrow><mn>3</mn><mi>v</mi></mrow></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">C_{3v}</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.07153em;">C</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.07153em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight"><span class="mord mtight">3</span><span class="mord mathdefault mtight" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">v</span></span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span>, c’est évidement pas le cas, déjà parce qu’on ne peut pas traiter <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>x</mi></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">x</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.43056em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault">x</span></span></span></span></span> sans <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>y</mi></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">y</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.625em;vertical-align:-0.19444em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">y</span></span></span></span></span>. D’où le fait qu’on en a un peu dans tout les sens (j’ai plus le processus exact, mais pour <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>x</mi><mi>y</mi></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">xy</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.625em;vertical-align:-0.19444em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault">x</span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">y</span></span></span></span></span> en <a href="https://www.webqc.org/symmetrypointgroup-c3v.html">C3v</a>, on réduit la représentation correspondante à <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>E</mi><mo>⋅</mo><mi>E</mi><mo>=</mo><mi>E</mi><mo>+</mo><msub><mi>A</mi><mn>1</mn></msub><mo>+</mo><msub><mi>A</mi><mn>2</mn></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">E\cdot E = E + A_1 + A_2</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.68333em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.05764em;">E</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2222222222222222em;"></span><span class="mbin">⋅</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2222222222222222em;"></span></span><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.68333em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.05764em;">E</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span><span class="mrel">=</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span></span><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.76666em;vertical-align:-0.08333em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.05764em;">E</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2222222222222222em;"></span><span class="mbin">+</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2222222222222222em;"></span></span><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault">A</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:0em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">1</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2222222222222222em;"></span><span class="mbin">+</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2222222222222222em;"></span></span><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault">A</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:0em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">2</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> et on regarde un peu ce que ça donne).</p>
<p><del>Je crois savoir que y’a un lien avec les polynômes correspondants, mais je serais bien en mal de l’expliquer correctement.</del></p>
<p>EDIT: nan, c’est pas avec les polynomes que ça a un rapport (enfin, pas directement), c’est avec les <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmonique_sph%C3%A9rique">harmoniques sphériques</a>. Comment j’ai pu oublier ça ? <img src="/static/smileys/langue.png" alt=":p" class="smiley"></p>Spectroscopie et commutativité, message #1959682018-12-29T15:27:03+01:00Blackline/@Blacklinehttps://zestedesavoir.com/forums/sujet/11842/spectroscopie-et-commutativite/?page=1#p195968<div class="custom-block custom-block-warning"><div class="custom-block-body"><p>Attention j’suis pas sur de pas dire de connerie <img src="/static/smileys/siffle.png" alt=":-°" class="smiley"></p></div></div>
<p>L’axe laissé invariant est plutôt indiqué par l’indice de l’étiquette si j’ai bien compris. <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>A</mi><mn>1</mn></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">A_1</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault">A</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:0em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">1</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> et <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>A</mi><mn>2</mn></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">A_2</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault">A</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:0em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">2</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> par exemple, désigne l’axe invariant tel que :</p>
<ul>
<li><span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>z</mi><mo>=</mo><mn>1</mn></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">z=1</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.43056em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.04398em;">z</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span><span class="mrel">=</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span></span><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.64444em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord">1</span></span></span></span></span></li>
<li><span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>x</mi><mo>=</mo><mn>2</mn></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">x=2</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.43056em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault">x</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span><span class="mrel">=</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span></span><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.64444em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord">2</span></span></span></span></span></li>
<li><span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>y</mi><mo>=</mo><mn>3</mn></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">y=3</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.625em;vertical-align:-0.19444em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">y</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span><span class="mrel">=</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span></span><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.64444em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord">3</span></span></span></span></span></li>
</ul>
<p>Et les <strong>linear equation</strong> ou autre colonne, permettent entre autre de relier :</p>
<ul>
<li>Les étiquettes de symétrie à des orbitales (<span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>d</mi><mrow><mi>x</mi><mi mathvariant="normal">²</mi><mo>−</mo><mi>y</mi><mi mathvariant="normal">²</mi></mrow></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">d_{x²-y²}</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.980548em;vertical-align:-0.286108em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault">d</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.25833100000000003em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:0em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight">x</span><span class="mord mtight">²</span><span class="mbin mtight">−</span><span class="mord mathdefault mtight" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">y</span><span class="mord mtight">²</span></span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.286108em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span>, <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>d</mi><mrow><mi>z</mi><mi mathvariant="normal">²</mi></mrow></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">d_{z²}</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.84444em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault">d</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.151392em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:0em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight" style="margin-right:0.04398em;">z</span><span class="mord mtight">²</span></span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span>, <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>p</mi><mi>z</mi></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">p_z</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.625em;vertical-align:-0.19444em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault">p</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.151392em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:0em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight" style="margin-right:0.04398em;">z</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> ou encore <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>s</mi><mrow><mi>x</mi><mi mathvariant="normal">²</mi><mo>+</mo><mi>y</mi><mi mathvariant="normal">²</mi><mo>+</mo><mi>z</mi><mi mathvariant="normal">²</mi></mrow></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">s_{x²+y²+z²}</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.716668em;vertical-align:-0.286108em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault">s</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.25833100000000003em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:0em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight">x</span><span class="mord mtight">²</span><span class="mbin mtight">+</span><span class="mord mathdefault mtight" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">y</span><span class="mord mtight">²</span><span class="mbin mtight">+</span><span class="mord mathdefault mtight" style="margin-right:0.04398em;">z</span><span class="mord mtight">²</span></span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.286108em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span>…)</li>
<li>Permettent de nous renseigner sur la visibilité ou non d’une certaine transition dans une méthode.</li>
</ul>
<p>En gros on peu relier la variation du moment dipolaire ou la variation du champ de polarisabilité à ces colonnes et définir quel transition on verra dans tel ou tel analyse. <a href="/membres/voir/Pierre_24/" rel="nofollow" class="ping ping-link">@<span class="ping-username">Pierre_24</span></a> saura mieux l’expliquer que moi je pense. </p>
<ul>
<li>On a une méthode qui est basé sur la variation de moment dipolaire (spectro infrarouge)</li>
<li>Et une méthode sur la variation de la polarisabilité (spectro Raman)</li>
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<p>Et selon ces deux dernières colonnes de la table des caractères on peut discrimner quelles vont être les transitions observable dans l’une ou l’autre spectrosocpie. </p>Spectroscopie et commutativité, message #1959662018-12-29T15:13:45+01:00blo yhg/@blo%20yhghttps://zestedesavoir.com/forums/sujet/11842/spectroscopie-et-commutativite/?page=1#p195966<p>J’ai essayé de comprendre les tables de caractères telles qu’utilisées par les chimistes, mais je n’ai pas compris ce que veulent dire les deux dernières colonnes avec les <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>x</mi></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">x</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.43056em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault">x</span></span></span></span></span>, <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>R</mi><mi>z</mi></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">R_z</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.00773em;">R</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.151392em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.00773em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight" style="margin-right:0.04398em;">z</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span>, <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msup><mi>y</mi><mn>2</mn></msup></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">y^2</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:1.008548em;vertical-align:-0.19444em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">y</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.8141079999999999em;"><span style="top:-3.063em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">2</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span>, etc. D’après ce que je comprends, on a en fait un groupe plus une représentation de degré <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mn>3</mn></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">3</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.64444em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord">3</span></span></span></span></span>, et ces <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>x</mi></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">x</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.43056em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault">x</span></span></span></span></span>, <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>R</mi><mi>z</mi></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">R_z</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.00773em;">R</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.151392em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.00773em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight" style="margin-right:0.04398em;">z</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span>, etc. décrivent un certain lien entre les représentations irréductibles et cette représentation de degré <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mn>3</mn></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">3</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.64444em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord">3</span></span></span></span></span>.</p>
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<p>D’ailleurs, si tu regarde, dans la dernières colonne de ta table, on retrouve entre autres <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mo>(</mo><mi>x</mi><mo separator="true">,</mo><mi>y</mi><mo>)</mo></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">(x,y)</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:1em;vertical-align:-0.25em;"></span><span class="mopen">(</span><span class="mord mathdefault">x</span><span class="mpunct">,</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.16666666666666666em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">y</span><span class="mclose">)</span></span></span></span></span>, ce qui signifie que les axes cartésiens <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>e</mi><mi>x</mi></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">e_x</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.58056em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault">e</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.151392em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:0em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight">x</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> et <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>e</mi><mi>y</mi></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">e_y</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.716668em;vertical-align:-0.286108em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault">e</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15139200000000003em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:0em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">y</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.286108em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> appartiennent à cette représentation ensemble. On remarque aussi que <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>e</mi><mi>z</mi></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">e_z</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.58056em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault">e</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.151392em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:0em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight" style="margin-right:0.04398em;">z</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> appartient en fait à la représentation <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>A</mi><mn>1</mn></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">A_1</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault">A</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:0em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">1</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span>.</p>
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<p>À partir de ça, je crois comprendre ce que veulent dire <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>x</mi></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">x</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.43056em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault">x</span></span></span></span></span>, <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>y</mi></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">y</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.625em;vertical-align:-0.19444em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">y</span></span></span></span></span> et <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>z</mi></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">z</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.43056em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.04398em;">z</span></span></span></span></span>. Ça veut dire que l’axe correspondant est laissé invariant par la représentation de degré <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mn>3</mn></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">3</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.64444em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord">3</span></span></span></span></span> considérée et que sa restriction à cet axe est la représentation irréductible de la ligne. Mais que veulent dire <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>R</mi><mi>z</mi></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">R_z</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.00773em;">R</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.151392em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.00773em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight" style="margin-right:0.04398em;">z</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span>, <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>x</mi><mi>y</mi></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">xy</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.625em;vertical-align:-0.19444em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault">x</span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">y</span></span></span></span></span> ou encore <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msup><mi>x</mi><mn>2</mn></msup><mo>+</mo><msup><mi>y</mi><mn>2</mn></msup></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">x^2 + y^2</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.897438em;vertical-align:-0.08333em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault">x</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.8141079999999999em;"><span style="top:-3.063em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">2</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2222222222222222em;"></span><span class="mbin">+</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2222222222222222em;"></span></span><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:1.008548em;vertical-align:-0.19444em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">y</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.8141079999999999em;"><span style="top:-3.063em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">2</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span>, par exemple ?</p>
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<li>Le <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mo>+</mo><mn>2</mn></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">+2</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.72777em;vertical-align:-0.08333em;"></span><span class="mord">+</span><span class="mord">2</span></span></span></span></span> est effectivement en relation directe avec le fait que <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>C</mi><mrow><mn>3</mn><mi>v</mi></mrow></msub><mo>=</mo><msub><mi>S</mi><mn>3</mn></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">C_{3v} = S_3</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.07153em;">C</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.07153em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight"><span class="mord mtight">3</span><span class="mord mathdefault mtight" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">v</span></span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span><span class="mrel">=</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span></span><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.05764em;">S</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.05764em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">3</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> n’est pas abélien : si un groupe fini est abélien alors ses représentations irréductibles sont de dimension 1, et inversement, si il n’a que des représentations irréductibles de dimension 1 alors il est abélien. Le premier sens est un corollaire du lemme de Schur, le second est le simple fait que la somme des carrés des dimensions des représentations irréductibles est égale au cardinal de ton groupe.</li>
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<p>C’est pas très important pour le sujet mais comment vois-tu le premier sens avec le lemme de Schur et le deuxième sens comme tu dis ? Le premier sens peut se montrer par diagonalisation simultanée d’endomorphismes commutant et le deuxième par le fait que la représentation régulière est fidèle, donc si on peut diagonaliser les images des éléments du groupe de manière simultanée, ces éléments commutent.</p>Spectroscopie et commutativité, message #1959652018-12-29T15:09:04+01:00Blackline/@Blacklinehttps://zestedesavoir.com/forums/sujet/11842/spectroscopie-et-commutativite/?page=1#p195965<p>Je suis content d’avoir posé ces questions et je suis très content d’avoir reveillé la ruche des mathématiciens <img src="/static/smileys/heureux.png" alt=":D" class="smiley"> Plus sérieusement merci pour vos réponses, j’imagine que je reviendrais vous embêter encore avec ces histoires. Les partiels de janvier toussa toussa <img src="/static/smileys/siffle.png" alt=":-°" class="smiley"></p>Spectroscopie et commutativité, message #1959602018-12-29T13:56:14+01:00pierre_24/@pierre_24https://zestedesavoir.com/forums/sujet/11842/spectroscopie-et-commutativite/?page=1#p195960<figure><blockquote>
<p>Le <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>E</mi></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">E</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.68333em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.05764em;">E</span></span></span></span></span> de la ligne représente un état doublement dégénéré ? Au même titre que <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>A</mi><mo>=</mo><mn>1</mn></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">A=1</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.68333em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault">A</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span><span class="mrel">=</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span></span><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.64444em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord">1</span></span></span></span></span>, <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>E</mi><mo>=</mo><mn>2</mn></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">E=2</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.68333em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.05764em;">E</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span><span class="mrel">=</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span></span><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.64444em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord">2</span></span></span></span></span>, <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>T</mi><mo>=</mo><mn>3</mn></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">T=3</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.68333em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.13889em;">T</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span><span class="mrel">=</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span></span><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.64444em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord">3</span></span></span></span></span> ou ça n’a rien à voir ?</p>
</blockquote><figcaption><a href="https://zestedesavoir.com/forums/sujet/11842/spectroscopie-et-commutativite/?page=1#p195958">Blackline</a></figcaption></figure>
<p>Tu te rendra compte que les orbitales moléculaires dégénérées (par exemple) <strong>correspondront</strong> effectivement à des représentation doubles, et etc <img src="/static/smileys/clin.png" alt=";)" class="smiley"></p>
<p>Note que tu peux avoir aussi <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>B</mi></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">B</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.68333em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.05017em;">B</span></span></span></span></span> à la place de <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>A</mi></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">A</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.68333em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault">A</span></span></span></span></span> (si il y a une rotation impropre dans les éléments de symétrie).</p>Spectroscopie et commutativité, message #1959582018-12-29T13:52:59+01:00Blackline/@Blacklinehttps://zestedesavoir.com/forums/sujet/11842/spectroscopie-et-commutativite/?page=1#p195958<p>Et bah la méthode sagouin est bien parlante pour l’amateur que je suis ! <img src="/static/smileys/rouge.png" alt=":honte:" class="smiley"></p>
<div class="custom-block custom-block-question"><div class="custom-block-heading">Question un peu HS</div><div class="custom-block-body"><p>Le <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>E</mi></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">E</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.68333em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.05764em;">E</span></span></span></span></span> de la ligne représente un état doublement dégénéré ? Au même titre que <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>A</mi><mo>=</mo><mn>1</mn></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">A=1</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.68333em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault">A</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span><span class="mrel">=</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span></span><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.64444em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord">1</span></span></span></span></span>, <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>E</mi><mo>=</mo><mn>2</mn></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">E=2</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.68333em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.05764em;">E</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span><span class="mrel">=</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span></span><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.64444em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord">2</span></span></span></span></span>, <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>T</mi><mo>=</mo><mn>3</mn></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">T=3</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.68333em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.13889em;">T</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span><span class="mrel">=</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span></span><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.64444em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord">3</span></span></span></span></span> ou ça n’a rien à voir ?</p></div></div>Spectroscopie et commutativité, message #1959572018-12-29T13:44:59+01:00pierre_24/@pierre_24https://zestedesavoir.com/forums/sujet/11842/spectroscopie-et-commutativite/?page=1#p195957<p>Sinon, pour une application plus "chimique", voir <a href="https://zestedesavoir.com/forums/sujet/8460/representation-irreductible-orbitales/?page=1#p147889">par exemple cette réponse</a>. </p>
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<p>Alors … Un caractère, c’est une trace de matrice. Quelle matrice ? Eh bien la matrice qui représente l’opération de symétrie en question (les mathématiciens qui sont probablement meilleurs que moi à ce jeu là diront "dans la base des représentations"). Prenons donc la matrice qui représente <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mover accent="true"><mi>C</mi><mo>^</mo></mover><mn>3</mn></msub><mo>(</mo><mi>z</mi><mo>)</mo></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">\hat C_3(z)</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:1.19677em;vertical-align:-0.25em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord accent"><span class="vlist-t"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.9467699999999999em;"><span style="top:-3em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.07153em;">C</span></span><span style="top:-3.25233em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="accent-body" style="left:-0.16666em;">^</span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.07153em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">3</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mopen">(</span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.04398em;">z</span><span class="mclose">)</span></span></span></span></span> (rotation de 120° autour de l’axe z):</p>
<div class="math"><span class="katex-display"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mover accent="true"><mi>C</mi><mo>^</mo></mover><mn>3</mn></msub><mo>(</mo><mi>z</mi><mo>)</mo><mo>=</mo><mrow><mo fence="true">(</mo><mtable><mtr><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mrow><mi>cos</mi><mo></mo><mo>(</mo><mfrac><mrow><mn>2</mn><mi>π</mi></mrow><mn>3</mn></mfrac><mo>)</mo></mrow></mstyle></mtd><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mrow><mo>−</mo><mi>sin</mi><mo></mo><mo>(</mo><mfrac><mrow><mn>2</mn><mi>π</mi></mrow><mn>3</mn></mfrac><mo>)</mo></mrow></mstyle></mtd><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mn>0</mn></mstyle></mtd></mtr><mtr><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mrow><mi>sin</mi><mo></mo><mo>(</mo><mfrac><mrow><mn>2</mn><mi>π</mi></mrow><mn>3</mn></mfrac><mo>)</mo></mrow></mstyle></mtd><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mrow><mi>c</mi><mi>o</mi><mi>s</mi><mo>(</mo><mfrac><mrow><mn>2</mn><mi>π</mi></mrow><mn>3</mn></mfrac><mo>)</mo></mrow></mstyle></mtd><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mn>0</mn></mstyle></mtd></mtr><mtr><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mn>0</mn></mstyle></mtd><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mn>0</mn></mstyle></mtd><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mn>1</mn></mstyle></mtd></mtr></mtable><mo fence="true">)</mo></mrow></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">\hat C_3(z) = \begin{pmatrix}
\cos(\frac{2\pi}{3}) & -\sin(\frac{2\pi}{3}) & 0 \\
\sin(\frac{2\pi}{3}) & cos(\frac{2\pi}{3}) & 0\\
0 & 0 &1
\end{pmatrix}</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:1.19677em;vertical-align:-0.25em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord accent"><span class="vlist-t"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.9467699999999999em;"><span style="top:-3em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.07153em;">C</span></span><span style="top:-3.25233em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="accent-body" style="left:-0.16666em;">^</span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.07153em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">3</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mopen">(</span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.04398em;">z</span><span class="mclose">)</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span><span class="mrel">=</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span></span><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:3.6102160000000003em;vertical-align:-1.5551080000000006em;"></span><span class="minner"><span class="mopen"><span class="delimsizing mult"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:2.05002em;"><span style="top:-2.2500000000000004em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3.1550000000000002em;"></span><span class="delimsizinginner delim-size4"><span>⎝</span></span></span><span style="top:-4.05002em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3.1550000000000002em;"></span><span class="delimsizinginner delim-size4"><span>⎛</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:1.55002em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mord"><span class="mtable"><span class="col-align-c"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:2.0551079999999997em;"><span style="top:-4.21em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mop">cos</span><span class="mopen">(</span><span class="mord"><span class="mopen nulldelimiter"></span><span class="mfrac"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.845108em;"><span style="top:-2.6550000000000002em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight"><span class="mord mtight">3</span></span></span></span><span style="top:-3.23em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="frac-line" style="border-bottom-width:0.04em;"></span></span><span style="top:-3.394em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight"><span class="mord mtight">2</span><span class="mord mathdefault mtight" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">π</span></span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.345em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mclose nulldelimiter"></span></span><span class="mclose">)</span></span></span><span style="top:-3.0048919999999995em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mop">sin</span><span class="mopen">(</span><span class="mord"><span class="mopen nulldelimiter"></span><span class="mfrac"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.845108em;"><span style="top:-2.6550000000000002em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight"><span class="mord mtight">3</span></span></span></span><span style="top:-3.23em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="frac-line" style="border-bottom-width:0.04em;"></span></span><span style="top:-3.394em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight"><span class="mord mtight">2</span><span class="mord mathdefault mtight" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">π</span></span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.345em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mclose nulldelimiter"></span></span><span class="mclose">)</span></span></span><span style="top:-1.8048919999999995em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord">0</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:1.5551080000000006em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="arraycolsep" style="width:0.5em;"></span><span class="arraycolsep" style="width:0.5em;"></span><span class="col-align-c"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:2.0551079999999997em;"><span style="top:-4.21em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord">−</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.16666666666666666em;"></span><span class="mop">sin</span><span class="mopen">(</span><span class="mord"><span class="mopen nulldelimiter"></span><span class="mfrac"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.845108em;"><span style="top:-2.6550000000000002em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight"><span class="mord mtight">3</span></span></span></span><span style="top:-3.23em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="frac-line" style="border-bottom-width:0.04em;"></span></span><span style="top:-3.394em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight"><span class="mord mtight">2</span><span class="mord mathdefault mtight" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">π</span></span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.345em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mclose nulldelimiter"></span></span><span class="mclose">)</span></span></span><span style="top:-3.0048919999999995em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault">c</span><span class="mord mathdefault">o</span><span class="mord mathdefault">s</span><span class="mopen">(</span><span class="mord"><span class="mopen nulldelimiter"></span><span class="mfrac"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.845108em;"><span style="top:-2.6550000000000002em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight"><span class="mord mtight">3</span></span></span></span><span style="top:-3.23em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="frac-line" style="border-bottom-width:0.04em;"></span></span><span style="top:-3.394em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight"><span class="mord mtight">2</span><span class="mord mathdefault mtight" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">π</span></span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.345em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mclose nulldelimiter"></span></span><span class="mclose">)</span></span></span><span style="top:-1.8048919999999995em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord">0</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:1.5551080000000006em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="arraycolsep" style="width:0.5em;"></span><span class="arraycolsep" style="width:0.5em;"></span><span class="col-align-c"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:2.0551079999999997em;"><span style="top:-4.21em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord">0</span></span></span><span style="top:-3.0048919999999995em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord">0</span></span></span><span style="top:-1.8048919999999995em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord">1</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:1.5551080000000006em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mclose"><span class="delimsizing mult"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:2.05002em;"><span style="top:-2.2500000000000004em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3.1550000000000002em;"></span><span class="delimsizinginner delim-size4"><span>⎠</span></span></span><span style="top:-4.05002em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3.1550000000000002em;"></span><span class="delimsizinginner delim-size4"><span>⎞</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:1.55002em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></div>
<p>Avec <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>cos</mi><mo></mo><mo>(</mo><mfrac><mrow><mn>2</mn><mi>π</mi></mrow><mn>3</mn></mfrac><mo>)</mo><mo>=</mo><mo>−</mo><mfrac><mn>1</mn><mn>2</mn></mfrac></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">\cos(\frac{2\pi}{3})=-\frac{1}{2}</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:1.190108em;vertical-align:-0.345em;"></span><span class="mop">cos</span><span class="mopen">(</span><span class="mord"><span class="mopen nulldelimiter"></span><span class="mfrac"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.845108em;"><span style="top:-2.6550000000000002em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight"><span class="mord mtight">3</span></span></span></span><span style="top:-3.23em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="frac-line" style="border-bottom-width:0.04em;"></span></span><span style="top:-3.394em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight"><span class="mord mtight">2</span><span class="mord mathdefault mtight" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">π</span></span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.345em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mclose nulldelimiter"></span></span><span class="mclose">)</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span><span class="mrel">=</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span></span><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:1.190108em;vertical-align:-0.345em;"></span><span class="mord">−</span><span class="mord"><span class="mopen nulldelimiter"></span><span class="mfrac"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.845108em;"><span style="top:-2.6550000000000002em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight"><span class="mord mtight">2</span></span></span></span><span style="top:-3.23em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="frac-line" style="border-bottom-width:0.04em;"></span></span><span style="top:-3.394em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight"><span class="mord mtight">1</span></span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.345em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mclose nulldelimiter"></span></span></span></span></span></span> et <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>sin</mi><mo></mo><mo>(</mo><mfrac><mrow><mn>2</mn><mi>π</mi></mrow><mn>3</mn></mfrac><mo>)</mo><mo>=</mo><mfrac><msqrt><mn>3</mn></msqrt><mn>2</mn></mfrac></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">\sin(\frac{2\pi}{3})=\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:1.190108em;vertical-align:-0.345em;"></span><span class="mop">sin</span><span class="mopen">(</span><span class="mord"><span class="mopen nulldelimiter"></span><span class="mfrac"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.845108em;"><span style="top:-2.6550000000000002em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight"><span class="mord mtight">3</span></span></span></span><span style="top:-3.23em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="frac-line" style="border-bottom-width:0.04em;"></span></span><span style="top:-3.394em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight"><span class="mord mtight">2</span><span class="mord mathdefault mtight" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">π</span></span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.345em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mclose nulldelimiter"></span></span><span class="mclose">)</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span><span class="mrel">=</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span></span><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:1.3829999999999998em;vertical-align:-0.345em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mopen nulldelimiter"></span><span class="mfrac"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:1.0379999999999998em;"><span style="top:-2.6550000000000002em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight"><span class="mord mtight">2</span></span></span></span><span style="top:-3.23em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="frac-line" style="border-bottom-width:0.04em;"></span></span><span style="top:-3.3990085em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight"><span class="mord sqrt mtight"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.912845em;"><span class="svg-align" style="top:-3em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord mtight" style="padding-left:0.833em;"><span class="mord mtight">3</span></span></span><span style="top:-2.872845em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="hide-tail mtight" style="min-width:0.853em;height:1.08em;"><svg width="400em" height="1.08em" viewBox="0 0 400000 1080" preserveAspectRatio="xMinYMin slice"><path d="M95,702c-2.7,0,-7.17,-2.7,-13.5,-8c-5.8,-5.3,-9.5,
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s-235,486,-235,486c-2.7,4.7,-9,7,-19,7c-6,0,-10,-1,-12,-3s-194,-422,-194,-422
s-65,47,-65,47z M834 80H400000v40H845z"></path></svg></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.12715500000000002em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.345em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mclose nulldelimiter"></span></span></span></span></span></span>, donc</p>
<div class="math"><span class="katex-display"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mover accent="true"><mi>C</mi><mo>^</mo></mover><mn>3</mn></msub><mo>(</mo><mi>z</mi><mo>)</mo><mo>=</mo><mrow><mo fence="true">(</mo><mtable><mtr><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mrow><mo>−</mo><mfrac><mn>1</mn><mn>2</mn></mfrac></mrow></mstyle></mtd><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mrow><mo>−</mo><mfrac><msqrt><mn>3</mn></msqrt><mn>2</mn></mfrac></mrow></mstyle></mtd><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mn>0</mn></mstyle></mtd></mtr><mtr><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mfrac><msqrt><mn>3</mn></msqrt><mn>2</mn></mfrac></mstyle></mtd><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mrow><mo>−</mo><mfrac><mn>1</mn><mn>2</mn></mfrac></mrow></mstyle></mtd><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mn>0</mn></mstyle></mtd></mtr><mtr><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mn>0</mn></mstyle></mtd><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mn>0</mn></mstyle></mtd><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mn>1</mn></mstyle></mtd></mtr></mtable><mo fence="true">)</mo></mrow></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">\hat C_3(z) = \begin{pmatrix}
-\frac{1}{2} & -\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2} & 0 \\
\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2} & -\frac{1}{2} & 0\\
0 & 0 &1
\end{pmatrix}</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:1.19677em;vertical-align:-0.25em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord accent"><span class="vlist-t"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.9467699999999999em;"><span style="top:-3em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.07153em;">C</span></span><span style="top:-3.25233em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="accent-body" style="left:-0.16666em;">^</span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.07153em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">3</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mopen">(</span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.04398em;">z</span><span class="mclose">)</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span><span class="mrel">=</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span></span><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:4.200049999999999em;vertical-align:-1.850025em;"></span><span class="minner"><span class="mopen"><span class="delimsizing mult"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:2.3500249999999996em;"><span style="top:-1.9499950000000004em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3.1550000000000002em;"></span><span class="delimsizinginner delim-size4"><span>⎝</span></span></span><span style="top:-3.1050050000000002em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3.1550000000000002em;"></span><span class="delimsizinginner delim-size4"><span>⎜</span></span></span><span style="top:-4.350025em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3.1550000000000002em;"></span><span class="delimsizinginner delim-size4"><span>⎛</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:1.850025em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mord"><span class="mtable"><span class="col-align-c"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:2.248em;"><span style="top:-4.248em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3.038em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord">−</span><span class="mord"><span class="mopen nulldelimiter"></span><span class="mfrac"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.845108em;"><span style="top:-2.6550000000000002em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight"><span class="mord mtight">2</span></span></span></span><span style="top:-3.23em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="frac-line" style="border-bottom-width:0.04em;"></span></span><span style="top:-3.394em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight"><span class="mord mtight">1</span></span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.345em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mclose nulldelimiter"></span></span></span></span><span style="top:-2.8499999999999996em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3.038em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord"><span class="mopen nulldelimiter"></span><span class="mfrac"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:1.0379999999999998em;"><span style="top:-2.6550000000000002em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight"><span class="mord mtight">2</span></span></span></span><span style="top:-3.23em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="frac-line" style="border-bottom-width:0.04em;"></span></span><span style="top:-3.3990085em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight"><span class="mord sqrt mtight"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.912845em;"><span class="svg-align" style="top:-3em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord mtight" style="padding-left:0.833em;"><span class="mord mtight">3</span></span></span><span style="top:-2.872845em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="hide-tail mtight" style="min-width:0.853em;height:1.08em;"><svg width="400em" height="1.08em" viewBox="0 0 400000 1080" preserveAspectRatio="xMinYMin slice"><path d="M95,702c-2.7,0,-7.17,-2.7,-13.5,-8c-5.8,-5.3,-9.5,
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s-65,47,-65,47z M834 80H400000v40H845z"></path></svg></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.12715500000000002em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.345em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mclose nulldelimiter"></span></span></span></span><span style="top:-1.65em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3.038em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord">0</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:1.748em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="arraycolsep" style="width:0.5em;"></span><span class="arraycolsep" style="width:0.5em;"></span><span class="col-align-c"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:2.248em;"><span style="top:-4.248em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3.038em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord">−</span><span class="mord"><span class="mopen nulldelimiter"></span><span class="mfrac"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:1.0379999999999998em;"><span style="top:-2.6550000000000002em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight"><span class="mord mtight">2</span></span></span></span><span style="top:-3.23em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="frac-line" style="border-bottom-width:0.04em;"></span></span><span style="top:-3.3990085em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight"><span class="mord sqrt mtight"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.912845em;"><span class="svg-align" style="top:-3em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord mtight" style="padding-left:0.833em;"><span class="mord mtight">3</span></span></span><span style="top:-2.872845em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="hide-tail mtight" style="min-width:0.853em;height:1.08em;"><svg width="400em" height="1.08em" viewBox="0 0 400000 1080" preserveAspectRatio="xMinYMin slice"><path d="M95,702c-2.7,0,-7.17,-2.7,-13.5,-8c-5.8,-5.3,-9.5,
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<p>Appliquons maintenant ce magnifique opérateur à nos 3 axes carthésiens que sont <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>e</mi><mi>x</mi></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">e_x</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.58056em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault">e</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.151392em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:0em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight">x</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span>, <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>e</mi><mi>y</mi></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">e_y</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.716668em;vertical-align:-0.286108em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault">e</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15139200000000003em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:0em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">y</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.286108em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> et <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>e</mi><mi>z</mi></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">e_z</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.58056em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault">e</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.151392em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:0em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight" style="margin-right:0.04398em;">z</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span>:</p>
<div class="math"><span class="katex-display"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mover accent="true"><mi>C</mi><mo>^</mo></mover><mn>3</mn></msub><mo>(</mo><mi>z</mi><mo>)</mo><mtext> </mtext><mrow><mo fence="true">(</mo><mtable><mtr><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><msub><mi>e</mi><mi>x</mi></msub></mstyle></mtd></mtr><mtr><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><msub><mi>e</mi><mi>y</mi></msub></mstyle></mtd></mtr><mtr><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><msub><mi>e</mi><mi>z</mi></msub></mstyle></mtd></mtr></mtable><mo fence="true">)</mo></mrow><mo>=</mo><mrow><mo fence="true">(</mo><mtable><mtr><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mrow><mo>−</mo><mfrac><mn>1</mn><mn>2</mn></mfrac></mrow></mstyle></mtd><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mrow><mo>−</mo><mfrac><msqrt><mn>3</mn></msqrt><mn>2</mn></mfrac></mrow></mstyle></mtd><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mn>0</mn></mstyle></mtd></mtr><mtr><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mfrac><msqrt><mn>3</mn></msqrt><mn>2</mn></mfrac></mstyle></mtd><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mrow><mo>−</mo><mfrac><mn>1</mn><mn>2</mn></mfrac></mrow></mstyle></mtd><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mn>0</mn></mstyle></mtd></mtr><mtr><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mn>0</mn></mstyle></mtd><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mn>0</mn></mstyle></mtd><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mn>1</mn></mstyle></mtd></mtr></mtable><mo fence="true">)</mo></mrow><mtext> </mtext><mrow><mo fence="true">(</mo><mtable><mtr><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><msub><mi>e</mi><mi>x</mi></msub></mstyle></mtd></mtr><mtr><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><msub><mi>e</mi><mi>y</mi></msub></mstyle></mtd></mtr><mtr><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><msub><mi>e</mi><mi>z</mi></msub></mstyle></mtd></mtr></mtable><mo fence="true">)</mo></mrow><mo>=</mo><mrow><mo fence="true">(</mo><mtable><mtr><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mrow><mo>−</mo><mfrac><mn>1</mn><mn>2</mn></mfrac><msub><mi>e</mi><mi>x</mi></msub><mo>−</mo><mfrac><msqrt><mn>3</mn></msqrt><mn>2</mn></mfrac><msub><mi>e</mi><mi>y</mi></msub></mrow></mstyle></mtd></mtr><mtr><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mrow><mfrac><msqrt><mn>3</mn></msqrt><mn>2</mn></mfrac><mtext> </mtext><msub><mi>e</mi><mi>x</mi></msub><mo>−</mo><mfrac><mn>1</mn><mn>2</mn></mfrac><mtext> </mtext><msub><mi>e</mi><mi>y</mi></msub></mrow></mstyle></mtd></mtr><mtr><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><msub><mi>e</mi><mi>z</mi></msub></mstyle></mtd></mtr></mtable><mo fence="true">)</mo></mrow></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">\hat C_3(z)\,\begin{pmatrix}e_x\\e_y\\e_z\end{pmatrix} = \begin{pmatrix}
-\frac{1}{2} & -\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2} & 0 \\
\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2} & -\frac{1}{2} & 0\\
0 & 0 &1
\end{pmatrix}\,\begin{pmatrix}e_x\\e_y\\e_z\end{pmatrix} = \begin{pmatrix}-\frac{1}{2} e_x-\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2} e_y\\\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}\,e_x -\frac{1}{2}\,e_y\\e_z\end{pmatrix}</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:3.60004em;vertical-align:-1.55002em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord accent"><span class="vlist-t"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.9467699999999999em;"><span style="top:-3em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.07153em;">C</span></span><span style="top:-3.25233em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="accent-body" style="left:-0.16666em;">^</span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.07153em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">3</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mopen">(</span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.04398em;">z</span><span class="mclose">)</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.16666666666666666em;"></span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.16666666666666666em;"></span><span class="minner"><span class="mopen"><span class="delimsizing mult"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:2.05002em;"><span style="top:-2.2500000000000004em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3.1550000000000002em;"></span><span class="delimsizinginner delim-size4"><span>⎝</span></span></span><span style="top:-4.05002em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3.1550000000000002em;"></span><span class="delimsizinginner delim-size4"><span>⎛</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:1.55002em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mord"><span class="mtable"><span class="col-align-c"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:2.05em;"><span style="top:-4.21em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault">e</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.151392em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:0em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight">x</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span style="top:-3.0099999999999993em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault">e</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15139200000000003em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:0em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">y</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.286108em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span style="top:-1.8099999999999994em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault">e</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.151392em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:0em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight" style="margin-right:0.04398em;">z</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:1.5500000000000007em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mclose"><span class="delimsizing mult"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:2.05002em;"><span style="top:-2.2500000000000004em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3.1550000000000002em;"></span><span class="delimsizinginner delim-size4"><span>⎠</span></span></span><span style="top:-4.05002em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3.1550000000000002em;"></span><span class="delimsizinginner delim-size4"><span>⎞</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:1.55002em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span><span class="mrel">=</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span></span><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:4.200049999999999em;vertical-align:-1.850025em;"></span><span class="minner"><span class="mopen"><span class="delimsizing mult"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:2.3500249999999996em;"><span style="top:-1.9499950000000004em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3.1550000000000002em;"></span><span class="delimsizinginner delim-size4"><span>⎝</span></span></span><span style="top:-3.1050050000000002em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3.1550000000000002em;"></span><span class="delimsizinginner delim-size4"><span>⎜</span></span></span><span style="top:-4.350025em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3.1550000000000002em;"></span><span class="delimsizinginner delim-size4"><span>⎛</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:1.850025em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mord"><span class="mtable"><span class="col-align-c"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:2.248em;"><span style="top:-4.248em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3.038em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord">−</span><span class="mord"><span class="mopen nulldelimiter"></span><span class="mfrac"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.845108em;"><span style="top:-2.6550000000000002em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight"><span class="mord mtight">2</span></span></span></span><span style="top:-3.23em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="frac-line" style="border-bottom-width:0.04em;"></span></span><span style="top:-3.394em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight"><span class="mord mtight">1</span></span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.345em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mclose nulldelimiter"></span></span></span></span><span style="top:-2.8499999999999996em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3.038em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord"><span class="mopen nulldelimiter"></span><span class="mfrac"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:1.0379999999999998em;"><span style="top:-2.6550000000000002em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight"><span class="mord mtight">2</span></span></span></span><span style="top:-3.23em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="frac-line" style="border-bottom-width:0.04em;"></span></span><span style="top:-3.3990085em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight"><span class="mord sqrt mtight"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.912845em;"><span class="svg-align" style="top:-3em;"><span 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style="height:3.1550000000000002em;"></span><span class="delimsizinginner delim-size4"><span>⎠</span></span></span><span style="top:-3.1050050000000002em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3.1550000000000002em;"></span><span class="delimsizinginner delim-size4"><span>⎟</span></span></span><span style="top:-4.350025em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3.1550000000000002em;"></span><span class="delimsizinginner delim-size4"><span>⎞</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:1.850025em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.16666666666666666em;"></span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.16666666666666666em;"></span><span class="minner"><span class="mopen"><span class="delimsizing mult"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:2.05002em;"><span style="top:-2.2500000000000004em;"><span 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style="height:0.286108em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span style="top:-1.8099999999999994em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault">e</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.151392em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:0em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight" style="margin-right:0.04398em;">z</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:1.5500000000000007em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mclose"><span class="delimsizing mult"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:2.05002em;"><span style="top:-2.2500000000000004em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3.1550000000000002em;"></span><span class="delimsizinginner delim-size4"><span>⎠</span></span></span><span style="top:-4.05002em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3.1550000000000002em;"></span><span class="delimsizinginner delim-size4"><span>⎞</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:1.55002em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span><span class="mrel">=</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span></span><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:4.200049999999999em;vertical-align:-1.850025em;"></span><span class="minner"><span class="mopen"><span 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<p>Et là, tu vois que <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>e</mi><mi>z</mi></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">e_z</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.58056em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault">e</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.151392em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:0em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight" style="margin-right:0.04398em;">z</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> reste <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>e</mi><mi>z</mi></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">e_z</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.58056em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault">e</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.151392em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:0em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight" style="margin-right:0.04398em;">z</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> (tout seul dans son coin) et que <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>e</mi><mi>x</mi></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">e_x</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.58056em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault">e</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.151392em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:0em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight">x</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> et <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>e</mi><mi>y</mi></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">e_y</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.716668em;vertical-align:-0.286108em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault">e</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15139200000000003em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:0em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">y</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.286108em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> se mélangent. Ça, c’est le signe que que tu va pas pouvoir les traiter séparément, et que tu va avoir une représentation un peu plus complexe. On va donc traiter <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>e</mi><mi>z</mi></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">e_z</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.58056em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault">e</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.151392em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:0em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight" style="margin-right:0.04398em;">z</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> de manière isolée et <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>e</mi><mi>x</mi></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">e_x</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.58056em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault">e</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.151392em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:0em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight">x</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> et <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>e</mi><mi>y</mi></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">e_y</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.716668em;vertical-align:-0.286108em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault">e</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15139200000000003em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:0em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">y</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.286108em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> ensemble (les mathématiciens expliquerons mieux que moi pourquoi j’ai le droit de faire ça. Note qu’il faut aussi que je le vérifie pour les autres opérateurs, mais pour <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>C</mi><mrow><mn>3</mn><mi>v</mi></mrow></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">C_{3v}</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.07153em;">C</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.07153em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight"><span class="mord mtight">3</span><span class="mord mathdefault mtight" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">v</span></span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span>, je sais que c’est le cas).</p>
<p>Si je me restreint ces deux derniers, j’ai </p>
<div class="math"><span class="katex-display"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mover accent="true"><mi>C</mi><mo>^</mo></mover><mn>3</mn></msub><mo>(</mo><mi>z</mi><mo>)</mo><mtext> </mtext><mrow><mo fence="true">(</mo><mtable><mtr><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><msub><mi>e</mi><mi>x</mi></msub></mstyle></mtd></mtr><mtr><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><msub><mi>e</mi><mi>y</mi></msub></mstyle></mtd></mtr></mtable><mo fence="true">)</mo></mrow><mo>=</mo><mrow><mo fence="true">(</mo><mtable><mtr><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mrow><mo>−</mo><mfrac><mn>1</mn><mn>2</mn></mfrac></mrow></mstyle></mtd><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mrow><mo>−</mo><mfrac><msqrt><mn>3</mn></msqrt><mn>2</mn></mfrac></mrow></mstyle></mtd></mtr><mtr><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mfrac><msqrt><mn>3</mn></msqrt><mn>2</mn></mfrac></mstyle></mtd><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mrow><mo>−</mo><mfrac><mn>1</mn><mn>2</mn></mfrac></mrow></mstyle></mtd></mtr></mtable><mo fence="true">)</mo></mrow><mtext> </mtext><mrow><mo fence="true">(</mo><mtable><mtr><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><msub><mi>e</mi><mi>x</mi></msub></mstyle></mtd></mtr><mtr><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><msub><mi>e</mi><mi>y</mi></msub></mstyle></mtd></mtr></mtable><mo fence="true">)</mo></mrow></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">\hat C_3(z)\,\begin{pmatrix}e_x\\e_y\end{pmatrix} = \begin{pmatrix}
-\frac{1}{2} & -\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2} \\
\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2} & -\frac{1}{2}\\
\end{pmatrix}\,\begin{pmatrix}e_x\\e_y\end{pmatrix}</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:2.40003em;vertical-align:-0.95003em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord accent"><span class="vlist-t"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.9467699999999999em;"><span style="top:-3em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.07153em;">C</span></span><span style="top:-3.25233em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="accent-body" style="left:-0.16666em;">^</span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.07153em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">3</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mopen">(</span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.04398em;">z</span><span class="mclose">)</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.16666666666666666em;"></span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.16666666666666666em;"></span><span class="minner"><span class="mopen delimcenter" style="top:0em;"><span class="delimsizing size3">(</span></span><span class="mord"><span class="mtable"><span class="col-align-c"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:1.45em;"><span style="top:-3.61em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault">e</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.151392em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:0em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight">x</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span style="top:-2.4099999999999997em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault">e</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15139200000000003em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:0em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">y</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.286108em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.9500000000000004em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mclose delimcenter" style="top:0em;"><span class="delimsizing size3">)</span></span></span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span><span class="mrel">=</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span></span><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:3.0000299999999998em;vertical-align:-1.25003em;"></span><span class="minner"><span class="mopen delimcenter" style="top:0em;"><span class="delimsizing size4">(</span></span><span class="mord"><span class="mtable"><span class="col-align-c"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:1.648em;"><span style="top:-3.6479999999999997em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3.038em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord">−</span><span class="mord"><span class="mopen nulldelimiter"></span><span class="mfrac"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.845108em;"><span style="top:-2.6550000000000002em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight"><span class="mord mtight">2</span></span></span></span><span style="top:-3.23em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="frac-line" style="border-bottom-width:0.04em;"></span></span><span style="top:-3.394em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight"><span class="mord mtight">1</span></span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.345em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mclose nulldelimiter"></span></span></span></span><span style="top:-2.2499999999999996em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3.038em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord"><span class="mopen nulldelimiter"></span><span class="mfrac"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:1.0379999999999998em;"><span style="top:-2.6550000000000002em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight"><span class="mord mtight">2</span></span></span></span><span style="top:-3.23em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="frac-line" style="border-bottom-width:0.04em;"></span></span><span style="top:-3.3990085em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span 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<p>Et le caractère, c’est bien la trace de la matrice, donc <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mo>−</mo><mfrac><mn>1</mn><mn>2</mn></mfrac><mo>−</mo><mfrac><mn>1</mn><mn>2</mn></mfrac><mo>=</mo><mo>−</mo><mn>1</mn></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">-\frac{1}{2}-\frac{1}{2}=-1</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:1.190108em;vertical-align:-0.345em;"></span><span class="mord">−</span><span class="mord"><span class="mopen nulldelimiter"></span><span class="mfrac"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.845108em;"><span style="top:-2.6550000000000002em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight"><span class="mord mtight">2</span></span></span></span><span style="top:-3.23em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="frac-line" style="border-bottom-width:0.04em;"></span></span><span style="top:-3.394em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight"><span class="mord mtight">1</span></span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.345em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mclose nulldelimiter"></span></span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2222222222222222em;"></span><span class="mbin">−</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2222222222222222em;"></span></span><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:1.190108em;vertical-align:-0.345em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mopen nulldelimiter"></span><span class="mfrac"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.845108em;"><span style="top:-2.6550000000000002em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight"><span class="mord mtight">2</span></span></span></span><span style="top:-3.23em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="frac-line" style="border-bottom-width:0.04em;"></span></span><span style="top:-3.394em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight"><span class="mord mtight">1</span></span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.345em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mclose nulldelimiter"></span></span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span><span class="mrel">=</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span></span><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.72777em;vertical-align:-0.08333em;"></span><span class="mord">−</span><span class="mord">1</span></span></span></span></span>, ce qui est bien le caractère que tu retrouver dans la colonne <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>C</mi><mn>3</mn></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">C_3</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.07153em;">C</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.07153em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">3</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> de ta table <img src="/static/smileys/smile.png" alt=":)" class="smiley"></p>
<p>Le 2 en dessous de <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>E</mi></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">E</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.68333em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.05764em;">E</span></span></span></span></span> ? "Simplement" le fait que <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>E</mi></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">E</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.68333em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.05764em;">E</span></span></span></span></span>, c’est l’identité, donc que ça représentation matricielle, c’est la matrice identité:</p>
<div class="math"><span class="katex-display"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mover accent="true"><mi>E</mi><mo>^</mo></mover><mtext> </mtext><mrow><mo fence="true">(</mo><mtable><mtr><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><msub><mi>e</mi><mi>x</mi></msub></mstyle></mtd></mtr><mtr><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><msub><mi>e</mi><mi>y</mi></msub></mstyle></mtd></mtr></mtable><mo fence="true">)</mo></mrow><mo>=</mo><mrow><mo fence="true">(</mo><mtable><mtr><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mn>1</mn></mstyle></mtd><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mn>0</mn></mstyle></mtd></mtr><mtr><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mn>0</mn></mstyle></mtd><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><mn>1</mn></mstyle></mtd></mtr></mtable><mo fence="true">)</mo></mrow><mtext> </mtext><mrow><mo fence="true">(</mo><mtable><mtr><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><msub><mi>e</mi><mi>x</mi></msub></mstyle></mtd></mtr><mtr><mtd><mstyle scriptlevel="0" displaystyle="false"><msub><mi>e</mi><mi>y</mi></msub></mstyle></mtd></mtr></mtable><mo fence="true">)</mo></mrow></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">\hat E\,\begin{pmatrix}e_x\\e_y\end{pmatrix} = \begin{pmatrix}
1 & 0\\
0 & 1\\
\end{pmatrix}\,\begin{pmatrix}e_x\\e_y\end{pmatrix}</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:2.40003em;vertical-align:-0.95003em;"></span><span class="mord accent"><span class="vlist-t"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.9467699999999999em;"><span style="top:-3em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.05764em;">E</span></span><span style="top:-3.25233em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="accent-body" style="left:-0.16666em;">^</span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.16666666666666666em;"></span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.16666666666666666em;"></span><span class="minner"><span class="mopen delimcenter" style="top:0em;"><span class="delimsizing size3">(</span></span><span class="mord"><span class="mtable"><span class="col-align-c"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:1.45em;"><span style="top:-3.61em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault">e</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.151392em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:0em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight">x</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span style="top:-2.4099999999999997em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault">e</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15139200000000003em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:0em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">y</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.286108em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.9500000000000004em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mclose delimcenter" style="top:0em;"><span class="delimsizing size3">)</span></span></span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span><span class="mrel">=</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span></span><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:2.40003em;vertical-align:-0.95003em;"></span><span class="minner"><span class="mopen delimcenter" style="top:0em;"><span class="delimsizing size3">(</span></span><span class="mord"><span class="mtable"><span class="col-align-c"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:1.45em;"><span style="top:-3.61em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord">1</span></span></span><span style="top:-2.4099999999999997em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord">0</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.9500000000000004em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="arraycolsep" style="width:0.5em;"></span><span class="arraycolsep" style="width:0.5em;"></span><span class="col-align-c"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:1.45em;"><span style="top:-3.61em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord">0</span></span></span><span style="top:-2.4099999999999997em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord">1</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.9500000000000004em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mclose delimcenter" style="top:0em;"><span class="delimsizing size3">)</span></span></span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.16666666666666666em;"></span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.16666666666666666em;"></span><span class="minner"><span class="mopen delimcenter" style="top:0em;"><span class="delimsizing size3">(</span></span><span class="mord"><span class="mtable"><span class="col-align-c"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:1.45em;"><span style="top:-3.61em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault">e</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.151392em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:0em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight">x</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span style="top:-2.4099999999999997em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault">e</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15139200000000003em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:0em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">y</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.286108em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.9500000000000004em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mclose delimcenter" style="top:0em;"><span class="delimsizing size3">)</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></div>
<p>… Dont la trace est bien de 2. Et ainsi de suite (je pourrais le faire avec <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>σ</mi><mi>v</mi></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">\sigma_v</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.58056em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">σ</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.151392em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.03588em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">v</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span>, mais je trouve sa représentation matricielle un peu pénible et pas forcément intuitive). </p>
<p>Ce qui fait qu’en chimie, on peut ce qui se trouve dans la colonne <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>E</mi></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">E</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.68333em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.05764em;">E</span></span></span></span></span> comme "la taille de la représentation" (autrement dit, le fait que la représentation contient "2 trucs en même temps"). D’ailleurs, si tu regarde, dans la dernières colonne de ta table, on retrouve entre autres <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mo>(</mo><mi>x</mi><mo separator="true">,</mo><mi>y</mi><mo>)</mo></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">(x,y)</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:1em;vertical-align:-0.25em;"></span><span class="mopen">(</span><span class="mord mathdefault">x</span><span class="mpunct">,</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.16666666666666666em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">y</span><span class="mclose">)</span></span></span></span></span>, ce qui signifie que les axes cartésiens <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>e</mi><mi>x</mi></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">e_x</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.58056em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault">e</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.151392em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:0em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight">x</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> et <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>e</mi><mi>y</mi></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">e_y</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.716668em;vertical-align:-0.286108em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault">e</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15139200000000003em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:0em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">y</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.286108em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> appartiennent à cette représentation ensemble. On remarque aussi que <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>e</mi><mi>z</mi></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">e_z</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.58056em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault">e</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.151392em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:0em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight" style="margin-right:0.04398em;">z</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> appartient en fait à la représentation <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>A</mi><mn>1</mn></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">A_1</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault">A</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:0em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">1</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span>.</p>
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<p>Mais évidement, +1 à ce qui a été dit avant (et désolé pour la théorie des groupes que j’applique comme un sagouin, c’est comme ça qu’on fait en spectro)</p>
<p>EDIT: la commutativité (et le fait qu’un groupe sois Abélien) n’est pas spécialement importante en spectro, mais implique en tout cas que l’ordre dans lequel tu fais les choses à de l’importance si tu venais à appliquer deux opérations de symétrie de suite. Ici, <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>C</mi><mn>3</mn></msub><mo>×</mo><msub><mi>σ</mi><mi>v</mi></msub><mi mathvariant="normal">≠</mi><msub><mi>σ</mi><mi>v</mi></msub><mo>×</mo><msub><mi>C</mi><mn>3</mn></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">C_3\times \sigma_v \neq \sigma_v \times C_3</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.07153em;">C</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.07153em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">3</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2222222222222222em;"></span><span class="mbin">×</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2222222222222222em;"></span></span><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.8888799999999999em;vertical-align:-0.19444em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">σ</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.151392em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.03588em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">v</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span><span class="mrel"><span class="mrel"><span class="mord"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.69444em;"><span style="top:-3em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="rlap"><span class="strut" style="height:0.8888799999999999em;vertical-align:-0.19444em;"></span><span class="inner"><span class="mrel latin_fallback"≯</span></span><span class="fix"></span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.19444em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mrel">=</span></span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span></span><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.73333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">σ</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.151392em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.03588em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">v</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2222222222222222em;"></span><span class="mbin">×</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2222222222222222em;"></span></span><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.07153em;">C</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.07153em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">3</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> : regarde par exemple sur <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>e</mi><mi>x</mi></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">e_x</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.58056em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault">e</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.151392em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:0em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight">x</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span>.</p>Spectroscopie et commutativité, message #1959542018-12-29T13:07:43+01:00InaDeepThink/@InaDeepThinkhttps://zestedesavoir.com/forums/sujet/11842/spectroscopie-et-commutativite/?page=1#p195954<p>C’est une typo c’est bien <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>T</mi><mi>r</mi><mo>(</mo><mi>h</mi><mo>)</mo></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">Tr(h)</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:1em;vertical-align:-0.25em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.13889em;">T</span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.02778em;">r</span><span class="mopen">(</span><span class="mord mathdefault">h</span><span class="mclose">)</span></span></span></span></span>.</p>Spectroscopie et commutativité, message #1959532018-12-29T13:06:45+01:00Blackline/@Blacklinehttps://zestedesavoir.com/forums/sujet/11842/spectroscopie-et-commutativite/?page=1#p195953<figure><blockquote>
<p>théorie des représentations</p>
</blockquote><figcaption><a href="https://zestedesavoir.com/forums/sujet/11842/spectroscopie-et-commutativite/?page=1#p195952">Kanaal</a></figcaption></figure>
<p>Disons que les mathématiques que je connais c’est intégrer, dériver, calculer le déterminant de matrice, les vecteurs propres voir établir la matrice de passage. Au delà, j’utilise rien dans ma vie de chimiste, du coups… Ouais ça m’arrive d’être pommé. </p>
<p>En fait on utilise souvent la théorie des groupes (comme un accessoire) et quand j’ai eu envie d’aller plus loin, j’me retrouve avec ce genre de "barrière" qui me font vite comprendre : houlala, c’est bien trop compliqué pour moi.</p>
<figure><blockquote>
<p><span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>T</mi><mi>r</mi><mo>(</mo><mi>g</mi><mi>h</mi><msup><mi>g</mi><mrow><mo>−</mo><mn>1</mn></mrow></msup><mo>)</mo><mo>=</mo><mi>T</mi><mi>r</mi><mo>(</mo><msup><mi>g</mi><mrow><mo>−</mo><mn>1</mn></mrow></msup><mi>g</mi><mi>h</mi><mo>)</mo><mo>=</mo><mi>T</mi><mi>r</mi><mo>(</mo><mi>g</mi><mo>)</mo></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">Tr(ghg^{-1}) = Tr(g^{-1}gh) = Tr(g)</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:1.064108em;vertical-align:-0.25em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.13889em;">T</span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.02778em;">r</span><span class="mopen">(</span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">g</span><span class="mord mathdefault">h</span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">g</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.8141079999999999em;"><span style="top:-3.063em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight"><span class="mord mtight">−</span><span class="mord mtight">1</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mclose">)</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span><span class="mrel">=</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span></span><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:1.064108em;vertical-align:-0.25em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.13889em;">T</span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.02778em;">r</span><span class="mopen">(</span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">g</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.8141079999999999em;"><span style="top:-3.063em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight"><span class="mord mtight">−</span><span class="mord mtight">1</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">g</span><span class="mord mathdefault">h</span><span class="mclose">)</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span><span class="mrel">=</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span></span><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:1em;vertical-align:-0.25em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.13889em;">T</span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.02778em;">r</span><span class="mopen">(</span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">g</span><span class="mclose">)</span></span></span></span></span></p>
</blockquote><figcaption><a href="https://zestedesavoir.com/forums/sujet/11842/spectroscopie-et-commutativite/?page=1#p195952">Kanaal</a></figcaption></figure>
<p>Par exemple là, je ne comprend pas pourquoi ça fait pas <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>T</mi><mi>r</mi><mo>(</mo><mi>h</mi><mo>)</mo></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">Tr(h)</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:1em;vertical-align:-0.25em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.13889em;">T</span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.02778em;">r</span><span class="mopen">(</span><span class="mord mathdefault">h</span><span class="mclose">)</span></span></span></span></span>. Mais j’imagine que ça vient du faire que je ne sache pas ce qu’est, mathématiquement(= formellement), un morphisme. </p>
<p>Par contre si j’ai bien compris la fin </p>
<figure><blockquote>
<ul>
<li>la seconde est sympathique aussi : on prend le caractère donné par la signature d’une permutation</li>
</ul>
</blockquote><figcaption><a href="https://zestedesavoir.com/forums/sujet/11842/spectroscopie-et-commutativite/?page=1#p195952">Kanaal</a></figcaption></figure>
<p>C’est directement lié à cette opération en fait ?</p>
<figure><blockquote>
<p><span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mo>(</mo><mn>12</mn><mo>)</mo><mo>⋅</mo><mo>(</mo><msub><mi>z</mi><mn>1</mn></msub><mo separator="true">,</mo><msub><mi>z</mi><mn>2</mn></msub><mo separator="true">,</mo><msub><mi>z</mi><mn>3</mn></msub><mo>)</mo><mo>=</mo><mo>(</mo><msub><mi>z</mi><mn>2</mn></msub><mo separator="true">,</mo><msub><mi>z</mi><mn>1</mn></msub><mo separator="true">,</mo><msub><mi>z</mi><mn>3</mn></msub><mo>)</mo></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">(12) \cdot (z_1,z_2,z_3) = (z_2,z_1,z_3)</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:1em;vertical-align:-0.25em;"></span><span class="mopen">(</span><span class="mord">1</span><span class="mord">2</span><span class="mclose">)</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2222222222222222em;"></span><span class="mbin">⋅</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2222222222222222em;"></span></span><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:1em;vertical-align:-0.25em;"></span><span class="mopen">(</span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.04398em;">z</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.04398em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">1</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mpunct">,</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.16666666666666666em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.04398em;">z</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.04398em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">2</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mpunct">,</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.16666666666666666em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.04398em;">z</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.04398em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">3</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mclose">)</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span><span class="mrel">=</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span></span><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:1em;vertical-align:-0.25em;"></span><span class="mopen">(</span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.04398em;">z</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.04398em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">2</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mpunct">,</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.16666666666666666em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.04398em;">z</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.04398em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">1</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mpunct">,</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.16666666666666666em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.04398em;">z</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.04398em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">3</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mclose">)</span></span></span></span></span>. </p>
</blockquote><figcaption><a href="https://zestedesavoir.com/forums/sujet/11842/spectroscopie-et-commutativite/?page=1#p195952">Kanaal</a></figcaption></figure>Spectroscopie et commutativité, message #1959522018-12-29T12:49:35+01:00Kanaal/@Kanaalhttps://zestedesavoir.com/forums/sujet/11842/spectroscopie-et-commutativite/?page=1#p195952<p>Hello !</p>
<p>Je ne sais pas si tu connais beaucoup de théorie des représentations donc je vais essayer de rappeler un peu comment on peut voir tout ça.</p>
<p>Le groupe que l’on considère ici est <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>S</mi><mn>3</mn></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">S_3</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.05764em;">S</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.05764em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">3</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> (le <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>C</mi><mrow><mn>3</mn><mi>v</mi></mrow></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">C_{3v}</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.07153em;">C</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.07153em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight"><span class="mord mtight">3</span><span class="mord mathdefault mtight" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">v</span></span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> chez toi), le groupe des permutations (ou groupe symétrique) d’un ensemble à trois éléments. Si je note <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mo>{</mo><mn>1</mn><mo separator="true">,</mo><mn>2</mn><mo separator="true">,</mo><mn>3</mn><mo>}</mo></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">\{1,2,3\}</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:1em;vertical-align:-0.25em;"></span><span class="mopen">{</span><span class="mord">1</span><span class="mpunct">,</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.16666666666666666em;"></span><span class="mord">2</span><span class="mpunct">,</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.16666666666666666em;"></span><span class="mord">3</span><span class="mclose">}</span></span></span></span></span> cet ensemble, alors <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>S</mi><mn>3</mn></msub><mo>=</mo><mo>{</mo><mi>i</mi><mi>d</mi><mo separator="true">,</mo><mo>(</mo><mn>12</mn><mo>)</mo><mo separator="true">,</mo><mo>(</mo><mn>23</mn><mo>)</mo><mo separator="true">,</mo><mo>(</mo><mn>13</mn><mo>)</mo><mo separator="true">,</mo><mo>(</mo><mn>123</mn><mo>)</mo><mo separator="true">,</mo><mo>(</mo><mn>132</mn><mo>)</mo><mo>}</mo></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">S_3 = \{id, (12), (23), (13), (123), (132)\}</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.05764em;">S</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.05764em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">3</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span><span class="mrel">=</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span></span><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:1em;vertical-align:-0.25em;"></span><span class="mopen">{</span><span class="mord mathdefault">i</span><span class="mord mathdefault">d</span><span class="mpunct">,</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.16666666666666666em;"></span><span class="mopen">(</span><span class="mord">1</span><span class="mord">2</span><span class="mclose">)</span><span class="mpunct">,</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.16666666666666666em;"></span><span class="mopen">(</span><span class="mord">2</span><span class="mord">3</span><span class="mclose">)</span><span class="mpunct">,</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.16666666666666666em;"></span><span class="mopen">(</span><span class="mord">1</span><span class="mord">3</span><span class="mclose">)</span><span class="mpunct">,</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.16666666666666666em;"></span><span class="mopen">(</span><span class="mord">1</span><span class="mord">2</span><span class="mord">3</span><span class="mclose">)</span><span class="mpunct">,</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.16666666666666666em;"></span><span class="mopen">(</span><span class="mord">1</span><span class="mord">3</span><span class="mord">2</span><span class="mclose">)</span><span class="mclose">}</span></span></span></span></span> où les éléments sont des cycles (<span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>i</mi><mi>d</mi></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">id</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.69444em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault">i</span><span class="mord mathdefault">d</span></span></span></span></span> est l’identité qui ne change rien). Par exemple, <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mo>(</mo><mn>123</mn><mo>)</mo></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">(123)</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:1em;vertical-align:-0.25em;"></span><span class="mopen">(</span><span class="mord">1</span><span class="mord">2</span><span class="mord">3</span><span class="mclose">)</span></span></span></span></span> agit en envoyant 1 sur 2, 2 sur 3 et 3 sur 1.</p>
<p>Une représentation (complexe) de ce groupe est un morphisme <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>S</mi><mn>3</mn></msub><mo>→</mo><mi>G</mi><msub><mi>L</mi><mi>n</mi></msub><mo>(</mo><mi mathvariant="double-struck">C</mi><mo>)</mo></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">S_3 \rightarrow GL_n(\mathbb C)</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.05764em;">S</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.05764em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">3</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span><span class="mrel">→</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span></span><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:1em;vertical-align:-0.25em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault">G</span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault">L</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.151392em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:0em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight">n</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mopen">(</span><span class="mord mathbb">C</span><span class="mclose">)</span></span></span></span></span>, c’est à dire qu’on associe à chaque élément de <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>S</mi><mn>3</mn></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">S_3</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.05764em;">S</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.05764em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">3</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> un automorphisme d’un espace vectoriel de dimension <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>n</mi></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">n</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.43056em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault">n</span></span></span></span></span> (de manière sympathique pour conserver les lois des groupes). Le caractère d’une telle représentation est simplement la trace de la matrice associée (via le morphisme) à un élément de <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>S</mi><mn>3</mn></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">S_3</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.05764em;">S</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.05764em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">3</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span>. (Comme <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>T</mi><mi>r</mi><mo>(</mo><mi>g</mi><mi>h</mi><msup><mi>g</mi><mrow><mo>−</mo><mn>1</mn></mrow></msup><mo>)</mo><mo>=</mo><mi>T</mi><mi>r</mi><mo>(</mo><msup><mi>g</mi><mrow><mo>−</mo><mn>1</mn></mrow></msup><mi>g</mi><mi>h</mi><mo>)</mo></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">Tr(ghg^{-1}) = Tr(g^{-1}gh)</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:1.064108em;vertical-align:-0.25em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.13889em;">T</span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.02778em;">r</span><span class="mopen">(</span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">g</span><span class="mord mathdefault">h</span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">g</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.8141079999999999em;"><span style="top:-3.063em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight"><span class="mord mtight">−</span><span class="mord mtight">1</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mclose">)</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span><span class="mrel">=</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span></span><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:1.064108em;vertical-align:-0.25em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.13889em;">T</span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.02778em;">r</span><span class="mopen">(</span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">g</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.8141079999999999em;"><span style="top:-3.063em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight"><span class="mord mtight">−</span><span class="mord mtight">1</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">g</span><span class="mord mathdefault">h</span><span class="mclose">)</span></span></span></span></span> <del>=Tr(g)</del><span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mo>=</mo><mi>T</mi><mi>r</mi><mo>(</mo><mi>h</mi><mo>)</mo></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">= Tr(h)</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.36687em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mrel">=</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span></span><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:1em;vertical-align:-0.25em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.13889em;">T</span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.02778em;">r</span><span class="mopen">(</span><span class="mord mathdefault">h</span><span class="mclose">)</span></span></span></span></span>, ce caractère ne dépend que de la classe de conjugaison d’un élément, ce sont les colonnes dans la table.)</p>
<p>Les lignes de la table de caractères sont les valeurs des caractères irréductibles pour chaque classe de conjugaison (colonne). On est irréductible si on "mélange bien" tout l’espace sur lequel on agit, c’est-à-dire si il n’y a pas de sous espace strict qui soit stable sous tout les automorphismes.</p>
<p>Par exemple, dans le cas de la phrase que tu as du mal à comprendre (celle sur les matrices 2x2) : la troisième ligne de ton tableau est celle d’une représentation irréductible de degré 2, c’est à dire que le caractère est celui d’un morphisme <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>S</mi><mn>3</mn></msub><mo>→</mo><mi>G</mi><msub><mi>L</mi><mn>2</mn></msub><mo>(</mo><mi mathvariant="double-struck">C</mi><mo>)</mo></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">S_3 \rightarrow GL_2(\mathbb C)</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.05764em;">S</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.05764em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">3</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span><span class="mrel">→</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span></span><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:1em;vertical-align:-0.25em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault">G</span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault">L</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:0em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">2</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mopen">(</span><span class="mord mathbb">C</span><span class="mclose">)</span></span></span></span></span>, d’où les matrices 2x2, ie les "opérations bidimensionnelles".</p>
<p>Avant de me perdre dans mes explications bancales, je vais peut être répondre directement à tes questions :</p>
<ul>
<li>Le <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mo>+</mo><mn>2</mn></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">+2</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.72777em;vertical-align:-0.08333em;"></span><span class="mord">+</span><span class="mord">2</span></span></span></span></span> est effectivement en relation directe avec le fait que <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>C</mi><mrow><mn>3</mn><mi>v</mi></mrow></msub><mo>=</mo><msub><mi>S</mi><mn>3</mn></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">C_{3v} = S_3</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.07153em;">C</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.07153em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight"><span class="mord mtight">3</span><span class="mord mathdefault mtight" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">v</span></span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span><span class="mrel">=</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span></span><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.05764em;">S</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.05764em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">3</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> n’est pas abélien : si un groupe fini est abélien alors ses représentations irréductibles sont de dimension 1, et inversement, si il n’a que des représentations irréductibles de dimension 1 alors il est abélien. Le premier sens est un corollaire du lemme de Schur, le second est le simple fait que la somme des carrés des dimensions des représentations irréductibles est égale au cardinal de ton groupe.</li>
</ul>
<p>Si on voulait dresser la table de <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>S</mi><mn>3</mn></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">S_3</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.05764em;">S</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.05764em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">3</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> nous-mêmes, on pourrait procéder ainsi : </p>
<ul>
<li>on a trois classes de conjugaison, donc 3 colonnes et 3 lignes (c’est une proposition que le nombre de représentations irréductibles est égal au nombre de classes de conugaison),</li>
<li>la première ligne est facile : c’est la représentation triviale (on envoie tout sur l’identité),</li>
<li>la seconde est sympathique aussi : on prend le caractère donné par la signature d’une permutation,</li>
<li>la troisième ligne peut se compléter avec des relations d’orthogonalité.</li>
</ul>
<p>Je voudrais quand même expliciter géométriquement le troisième caractère.
On fait agit <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>S</mi><mn>3</mn></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">S_3</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.05764em;">S</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.05764em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">3</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> sur <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msup><mi mathvariant="double-struck">C</mi><mn>3</mn></msup></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">\mathbb C^3</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.8141079999999999em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathbb">C</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.8141079999999999em;"><span style="top:-3.063em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">3</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> en permutant les coordonnées des triplets : par exemple <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mo>(</mo><mn>12</mn><mo>)</mo><mo>⋅</mo><mo>(</mo><msub><mi>z</mi><mn>1</mn></msub><mo separator="true">,</mo><msub><mi>z</mi><mn>2</mn></msub><mo separator="true">,</mo><msub><mi>z</mi><mn>3</mn></msub><mo>)</mo><mo>=</mo><mo>(</mo><msub><mi>z</mi><mn>2</mn></msub><mo separator="true">,</mo><msub><mi>z</mi><mn>1</mn></msub><mo separator="true">,</mo><msub><mi>z</mi><mn>3</mn></msub><mo>)</mo></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">(12) \cdot (z_1,z_2,z_3) = (z_2,z_1,z_3)</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:1em;vertical-align:-0.25em;"></span><span class="mopen">(</span><span class="mord">1</span><span class="mord">2</span><span class="mclose">)</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2222222222222222em;"></span><span class="mbin">⋅</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2222222222222222em;"></span></span><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:1em;vertical-align:-0.25em;"></span><span class="mopen">(</span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.04398em;">z</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.04398em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">1</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mpunct">,</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.16666666666666666em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.04398em;">z</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.04398em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">2</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mpunct">,</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.16666666666666666em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.04398em;">z</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.04398em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">3</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mclose">)</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span><span class="mrel">=</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span></span><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:1em;vertical-align:-0.25em;"></span><span class="mopen">(</span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.04398em;">z</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.04398em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">2</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mpunct">,</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.16666666666666666em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.04398em;">z</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.04398em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">1</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mpunct">,</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.16666666666666666em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.04398em;">z</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.04398em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">3</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mclose">)</span></span></span></span></span>. Cette représentation n’est pas irréductible : le droite <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mrow><mi mathvariant="normal">V</mi><mi mathvariant="normal">e</mi><mi mathvariant="normal">c</mi><mi mathvariant="normal">t</mi></mrow><mo>(</mo><mn>1</mn><mo separator="true">,</mo><mn>1</mn><mo separator="true">,</mo><mn>1</mn><mo>)</mo><mo>=</mo><mo>{</mo><mo>(</mo><mi>z</mi><mo separator="true">,</mo><mi>z</mi><mo separator="true">,</mo><mi>z</mi><mo>)</mo><mo>∈</mo><msup><mi mathvariant="double-struck">C</mi><mn>3</mn></msup><mo>}</mo></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">\mathrm{Vect}(1,1,1) = \{(z,z,z) \in \mathbb C^3\}</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:1em;vertical-align:-0.25em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathrm" style="margin-right:0.01389em;">V</span><span class="mord mathrm">e</span><span class="mord mathrm">c</span><span class="mord mathrm">t</span></span><span class="mopen">(</span><span class="mord">1</span><span class="mpunct">,</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.16666666666666666em;"></span><span class="mord">1</span><span class="mpunct">,</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.16666666666666666em;"></span><span class="mord">1</span><span class="mclose">)</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span><span class="mrel">=</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span></span><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:1em;vertical-align:-0.25em;"></span><span class="mopen">{</span><span class="mopen">(</span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.04398em;">z</span><span class="mpunct">,</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.16666666666666666em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.04398em;">z</span><span class="mpunct">,</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.16666666666666666em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.04398em;">z</span><span class="mclose">)</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span><span class="mrel">∈</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span></span><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:1.064108em;vertical-align:-0.25em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathbb">C</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.8141079999999999em;"><span style="top:-3.063em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">3</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mclose">}</span></span></span></span></span> est stable (permuter les coordonnées égales ne change rien). On prend un supplémentaire <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>H</mi><mo>⊂</mo><msup><mi mathvariant="double-struck">C</mi><mn>3</mn></msup></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">H \subset \mathbb C^3</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.72243em;vertical-align:-0.0391em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.08125em;">H</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span><span class="mrel">⊂</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span></span><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.8141079999999999em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathbb">C</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.8141079999999999em;"><span style="top:-3.063em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">3</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> (tel que <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msup><mi mathvariant="double-struck">C</mi><mn>3</mn></msup><mo>=</mo><mi>H</mi><mo>⊕</mo><mi mathvariant="double-struck">C</mi><mo>(</mo><mn>1</mn><mo separator="true">,</mo><mn>1</mn><mo separator="true">,</mo><mn>1</mn><mo>)</mo></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">\mathbb C^3 = H \oplus \mathbb C (1,1,1)</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.8141079999999999em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathbb">C</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.8141079999999999em;"><span style="top:-3.063em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">3</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span><span class="mrel">=</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span></span><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.76666em;vertical-align:-0.08333em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.08125em;">H</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2222222222222222em;"></span><span class="mbin">⊕</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2222222222222222em;"></span></span><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:1em;vertical-align:-0.25em;"></span><span class="mord mathbb">C</span><span class="mopen">(</span><span class="mord">1</span><span class="mpunct">,</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.16666666666666666em;"></span><span class="mord">1</span><span class="mpunct">,</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.16666666666666666em;"></span><span class="mord">1</span><span class="mclose">)</span></span></span></span></span>). </p>
<p>On restreint alors notre attention sur <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>H</mi></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">H</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.68333em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.08125em;">H</span></span></span></span></span>, de dimension 2 (le fameux "truc bidimentionnel").</p>
<p>J’espère ne pas trop m’être perdu.</p>Spectroscopie et commutativité, message #1959512018-12-29T12:40:45+01:00Blackline/@Blacklinehttps://zestedesavoir.com/forums/sujet/11842/spectroscopie-et-commutativite/?page=1#p195951<p>Moi je croyais que <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>h</mi></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">h</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.69444em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault">h</span></span></span></span></span> ça voulait dire un truc genre horizontale. En opposition à <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>v</mi></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">v</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.43056em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">v</span></span></span></span></span> pour verticale. Je ne pensais pas que ça pouvait prendre des valeurs.</p>
<p>En fait j’y connais vraiment rien, j’sais à peine utiliser la table de caractère donc tout ce que tu m’dis là c’est du pain béni pour moi <img src="/static/smileys/siffle.png" alt=":-°" class="smiley"> a chaque message j’en découvre un peu plus lol.</p>
<p>On étudie une molécule en fait, pour le cas de <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>D</mi><mrow><mn>2</mn><mi>h</mi></mrow></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">D_{2h}</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.02778em;">D</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.33610799999999996em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.02778em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight"><span class="mord mtight">2</span><span class="mord mathdefault mtight">h</span></span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> si j’me trompe pas c’était l’éthène (<span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>H</mi><mn>2</mn></msub><mi>C</mi><mo>=</mo><mi>C</mi><msub><mi>H</mi><mn>2</mn></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">H_2C=CH_2</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.08125em;">H</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.08125em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">2</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.07153em;">C</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span><span class="mrel">=</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span></span><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.07153em;">C</span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.08125em;">H</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.08125em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">2</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span>) et pour le cas <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>C</mi><mrow><mn>3</mn><mi>v</mi></mrow></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">C_{3v}</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.07153em;">C</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.07153em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight"><span class="mord mtight">3</span><span class="mord mathdefault mtight" style="margin-right:0.03588em;">v</span></span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> c’était l’ammoniac (<span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>N</mi><msub><mi>H</mi><mn>3</mn></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">NH_3</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.10903em;">N</span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.08125em;">H</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.08125em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">3</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span>) de mémoire. Le premier s’inscrit dans un plan le second dans une pyramide à base triangulaire.</p>Spectroscopie et commutativité, message #1959502018-12-29T12:33:32+01:00InaDeepThink/@InaDeepThinkhttps://zestedesavoir.com/forums/sujet/11842/spectroscopie-et-commutativite/?page=1#p195950<p>Je ne comprends pas ce que tu veux dire. Je voulais dire en général il n’est pas abélien.
Le groupe <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>D</mi><mrow><mn>2</mn><mi>h</mi></mrow></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">D_{2h}</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.02778em;">D</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.33610799999999996em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.02778em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight"><span class="mord mtight">2</span><span class="mord mathdefault mtight">h</span></span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> est abélien uniquement pour <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>h</mi><mo>=</mo><mn>1</mn></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">h = 1</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.69444em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault">h</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span><span class="mrel">=</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span></span><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.64444em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord">1</span></span></span></span></span> ou bien <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>h</mi><mo>=</mo><mn>2</mn></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">h = 2</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.69444em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault">h</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span><span class="mrel">=</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span></span><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.64444em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord">2</span></span></span></span></span>. Comme dans ton post tu n’as pas précisé la valeur de <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>h</mi></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">h</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.69444em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault">h</span></span></span></span></span> et qu’étudier les isométries d’un segment ou d’un point n’est pas très intéressant, j’en ai déduis que tu étudiais le groupe pour <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>h</mi><mo>></mo><mn>2</mn></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">h > 2</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.73354em;vertical-align:-0.0391em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault">h</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span><span class="mrel">></span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span></span><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.64444em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord">2</span></span></span></span></span> (et dans ce cas <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>D</mi><mrow><mn>2</mn><mi>h</mi></mrow></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">D_{2h}</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.02778em;">D</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.33610799999999996em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.02778em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight"><span class="mord mtight">2</span><span class="mord mathdefault mtight">h</span></span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> n’est pas abélien).</p>Spectroscopie et commutativité, message #1959492018-12-29T12:30:45+01:00Blackline/@Blacklinehttps://zestedesavoir.com/forums/sujet/11842/spectroscopie-et-commutativite/?page=1#p195949<p><span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>D</mi><mrow><mn>2</mn><mi>h</mi></mrow></msub><mi mathvariant="normal">≠</mi><msub><mi>D</mi><mn>2</mn></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">D_{2h} \neq D_2</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.8888799999999999em;vertical-align:-0.19444em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.02778em;">D</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.33610799999999996em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.02778em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight"><span class="mord mtight">2</span><span class="mord mathdefault mtight">h</span></span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span><span class="mrel"><span class="mrel"><span class="mord"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.69444em;"><span style="top:-3em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:3em;"></span><span class="rlap"><span class="strut" style="height:0.8888799999999999em;vertical-align:-0.19444em;"></span><span class="inner"><span class="mrel latin_fallback"≯</span></span><span class="fix"></span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.19444em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class="mrel">=</span></span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span></span><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.02778em;">D</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.02778em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight">2</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> du coups ? </p>Spectroscopie et commutativité, message #1959482018-12-29T12:29:59+01:00InaDeepThink/@InaDeepThinkhttps://zestedesavoir.com/forums/sujet/11842/spectroscopie-et-commutativite/?page=1#p195948<p>Non c’est le cas uniquement pour <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>n</mi><mo>=</mo><mn>1</mn><mo separator="true">,</mo><mn>2</mn></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">n=1, 2</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.43056em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault">n</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span><span class="mrel">=</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.2777777777777778em;"></span></span><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.8388800000000001em;vertical-align:-0.19444em;"></span><span class="mord">1</span><span class="mpunct">,</span><span class="mspace" style="margin-right:0.16666666666666666em;"></span><span class="mord">2</span></span></span></span></span>.</p>Spectroscopie et commutativité, message #1959472018-12-29T12:28:45+01:00Blackline/@Blacklinehttps://zestedesavoir.com/forums/sujet/11842/spectroscopie-et-commutativite/?page=1#p195947<p>Bah déjà, c’est un point que je n’avais pas saisie, merci !</p>
<p>Et justement sur le lien que tu donne ils racontent pourquoi c’est abélien <img src="/static/smileys/siffle.png" alt=":-°" class="smiley"></p>Spectroscopie et commutativité, message #1959462018-12-29T12:22:37+01:00InaDeepThink/@InaDeepThinkhttps://zestedesavoir.com/forums/sujet/11842/spectroscopie-et-commutativite/?page=1#p195946<p>Normalement on utilise <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>C</mi><mi>n</mi></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">C_n</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.07153em;">C</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.151392em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.07153em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mathdefault mtight">n</span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> pour un groupe cyclique d’ordre <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>n</mi></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">n</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.43056em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault">n</span></span></span></span></span> et <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><msub><mi>D</mi><mrow><mn>2</mn><mi>n</mi></mrow></msub></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">D_{2n}</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.83333em;vertical-align:-0.15em;"></span><span class="mord"><span class="mord mathdefault" style="margin-right:0.02778em;">D</span><span class="msupsub"><span class="vlist-t vlist-t2"><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.30110799999999993em;"><span style="top:-2.5500000000000003em;margin-left:-0.02778em;margin-right:0.05em;"><span class="pstrut" style="height:2.7em;"></span><span class="sizing reset-size6 size3 mtight"><span class="mord mtight"><span class="mord mtight">2</span><span class="mord mathdefault mtight">n</span></span></span></span></span><span class="vlist-s"></span></span><span class="vlist-r"><span class="vlist" style="height:0.15em;"><span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> pour le <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupe_di%C3%A9dral">groupe diédral</a> qui est le groupe des isométries d’un polygones réguliers à <span class="inlineMath"><span class="katex"><span class="katex-mathml"><math><semantics><mrow><mi>n</mi></mrow><annotation encoding="application/x-tex">n</annotation></semantics></math></span><span class="katex-html" aria-hidden="true"><span class="base"><span class="strut" style="height:0.43056em;vertical-align:0em;"></span><span class="mord mathdefault">n</span></span></span></span></span> sommets.</p>